Wow! Its almost like the argument that voting for democrats results in anything meaningfully different from voting for republicans rests on a faulty premise! And its almost as if the logic underlying the argument that a vote for democrats is in any way meaningful demands the conclusion that a vote for a third party would then be more meaningful, but the whole argument itself rests on the faulty assumption that the USA is a democracy, when it actually is a capitalist oligarchy, wherein the two prominent political parties do the same horrible shit! And they maintain a grasp on power and a propensity for doing horrible shit no matter how you vote! Wow! Wish someone would have said that! Wow!
Anyway tell me you have a toddlers grasp on politics and the memory of a goldfish without telling me: [write whatever you wrote and then whatever your response to this will be]
Classic, act like a dickhead, get treated in kind and then retreat to cry about civility. You’re like an ill-behaved child.
You definitely have poor understanding of how to get others to follow your opinions, I mean your username please!
Lmao. Sad that you approach every interaction with the mindset of convincing the other. Even sadder that you suck so much at it you dont understand how convincing others function in a public forum.
Pol is about getting others to follow you if you can’t even fathom that you might as well be an angry vegan with no friends.
Weird non-sequitor. Incidentally I’ve met way less insufferable vegans than I’ve met insufferable people who complain about vegans.
Yeah, its almost like Im aware of that and thus behave differently? Wow! What a concept! Behaving differently depending on the social context in which one finds themselves! Wow!
I do think treating you like dirt makes my experience here better, but I’m not really worried about presenting myself in the most optimal way for some randos on a niche internet forum, but if you are then you should probably recitfy your behavior, you are pretty insufferable.
It has proven to be less effective at stopping the orphan crushing machine than voting for democrats. It is possible that in the long run it could be more effective, though that has not yet been proven.
Democrats tend to produce meaningfully different results within the US. I would say this is true even outside of it. At least they weren’t blowing up random ships outside Argentina and were able to make and keep deals and treaties with other countries.
What meaningfully different results? Biden fast tracked money for the border wall. Stole from the working class to give handouts to his rich friends. Increased ICE, Police, Pentagon, and war funding. Deported immigrants, and sent them to torture prisons.
The Democrats were blowing up kids in syria. They were supporting genocide. They did more deportations than Trump’s first term. Lets look at the treaties and deals that they made: Dictators, Slave-Owners, Racists, Genocidists.
Different doesn’t mean Biden was good, just that he was so much better than the alternative. Did his administration blow up ships in international waters with no approval? Deport citizens arrested by ICE to third-world countries with no trial and refuse to bring them back? Dismantle USAID, killing multiple thousands of people? Remove protections from federal land and allow nature to be destroyed? Arrest citizens for using privacy features on their phones? Violate the first-amendment rights of national television broadcasters? Abduct and threaten to deport rival political candidates? Pardon traitors and create the corporate pardon? Get ICE to arrest judges? Ban themselves from IRS audits? Let goons run around with full illegal access to every government database? Delete the data on who owns which company that’s used to protect against fraud? Withhold federal aid from states based on their political affiliation? Pay AI companies to reject insurance claims? Talk in Nazi chatrooms and throw Nazi salutes onstage? Deny healthcare to women based on their marital status? Remove protections from LGBT people? Try to remove birthright citizenship and state their plans to mass incarcerate and possibly deport people who became citizens that way? Repeatedly ignore court decisions? Dismantle federal agencies based only on their political affiliation? Appoint the worst cabinet in US history? Threaten to jail the people investigating January 6th? Try to remove judges who ruled against them? Cut the suicide hotline for LGBT people? Beat and jail people protesting ICE raids? Try to run for a third term and sieze federal control of elections? Make moves to conquer Greenland? Lie, cheat, scam, rape, steal, corrupt, and otherwise destroy anything they get their hands on? Remove government watchdogs? Cancel federal funding for health research based on bullshit keywords? Destroy trust in public health? Destroy longstanding peace agreements? Legally erase trans people and steal their federal IDs? I could go on.
Different doesn’t mean Biden was good, just that he was so much better than the alternative.
“so much better” is where we disagree. The dude was a monster.
Did his administration blow up ships in international waters with no approval?
Not that I know of. But he sure did that to innocent people on land.
Deport citizens arrested by ICE to third-world countries with no trial and refuse to bring them back?
Yes
Dismantle USAID, killing multiple thousands of people?
Nope, but he forced people back to dangerous offices, killing thousands. He backed a genocide, killing multiple thousands. Bombed the hell out of who-knows-how many people. I don’t really care what tool someone used to kill others, I care that they killed others.
Remove protections from federal land and allow nature to be destroyed? Arrest citizens for using privacy features on their phones? Violate the first-amendment rights of national television broadcasters?
Yes
Let goons run around with full illegal access to every government database?
Yes
Deny healthcare to women based on their marital status?
No, but he sat back and did nothing when that happened, and had the full power to help them.
Beat and jail people protesting ICE raids?
Yes
Lie, cheat, scam, rape, steal, corrupt, and otherwise destroy anything they get their hands on?
Yes
I could go on, but it’s clear that you are ignoring my point: We were talking about “meaningfully different results”. Just because Biden didn’t do the exact same things as Trump doens’t mean that Biden gave us “meaningfully different results”.
Is there more than two parties in the US?
Tell me you don’t understand how FPTP voting systems guide voting choices to only have two ineffective candidates.
Wow! Its almost like the argument that voting for democrats results in anything meaningfully different from voting for republicans rests on a faulty premise! And its almost as if the logic underlying the argument that a vote for democrats is in any way meaningful demands the conclusion that a vote for a third party would then be more meaningful, but the whole argument itself rests on the faulty assumption that the USA is a democracy, when it actually is a capitalist oligarchy, wherein the two prominent political parties do the same horrible shit! And they maintain a grasp on power and a propensity for doing horrible shit no matter how you vote! Wow! Wish someone would have said that! Wow!
Anyway tell me you have a toddlers grasp on politics and the memory of a goldfish without telling me: [write whatever you wrote and then whatever your response to this will be]
You definitely have poor understanding of how to get others to follow your opinions, I mean your username please!
Pol is about getting others to follow you if you can’t even fathom that you might as well be an angry vegan with no friends.
Classic, act like a dickhead, get treated in kind and then retreat to cry about civility. You’re like an ill-behaved child.
Lmao. Sad that you approach every interaction with the mindset of convincing the other. Even sadder that you suck so much at it you dont understand how convincing others function in a public forum.
Weird non-sequitor. Incidentally I’ve met way less insufferable vegans than I’ve met insufferable people who complain about vegans.
Good thing this is a really small obscure Reddit clone and not a public voting station.
Yeah, its almost like Im aware of that and thus behave differently? Wow! What a concept! Behaving differently depending on the social context in which one finds themselves! Wow!
So you’re telling me that the best way to be on Lemmy is to be an insufferable person?
I do think treating you like dirt makes my experience here better, but I’m not really worried about presenting myself in the most optimal way for some randos on a niche internet forum, but if you are then you should probably recitfy your behavior, you are pretty insufferable.
Functionally not, but voting third party is at least better than not voting
Alright, so you can vote for someone other than the orphan crushers. Weird how you pretended like that wasn’t a possibility.
It has proven to be less effective at stopping the orphan crushing machine than voting for democrats. It is possible that in the long run it could be more effective, though that has not yet been proven.
Has it? Did the orphan crushing machine even slow down a little bit when democrats were in power? Because I’m pretty sure that it didn’t.
Democrats tend to produce meaningfully different results within the US. I would say this is true even outside of it. At least they weren’t blowing up random ships outside Argentina and were able to make and keep deals and treaties with other countries.
What meaningfully different results? Biden fast tracked money for the border wall. Stole from the working class to give handouts to his rich friends. Increased ICE, Police, Pentagon, and war funding. Deported immigrants, and sent them to torture prisons.
The Democrats were blowing up kids in syria. They were supporting genocide. They did more deportations than Trump’s first term. Lets look at the treaties and deals that they made: Dictators, Slave-Owners, Racists, Genocidists.
Wow, what “meaningfully different results”.
Different doesn’t mean Biden was good, just that he was so much better than the alternative. Did his administration blow up ships in international waters with no approval? Deport citizens arrested by ICE to third-world countries with no trial and refuse to bring them back? Dismantle USAID, killing multiple thousands of people? Remove protections from federal land and allow nature to be destroyed? Arrest citizens for using privacy features on their phones? Violate the first-amendment rights of national television broadcasters? Abduct and threaten to deport rival political candidates? Pardon traitors and create the corporate pardon? Get ICE to arrest judges? Ban themselves from IRS audits? Let goons run around with full illegal access to every government database? Delete the data on who owns which company that’s used to protect against fraud? Withhold federal aid from states based on their political affiliation? Pay AI companies to reject insurance claims? Talk in Nazi chatrooms and throw Nazi salutes onstage? Deny healthcare to women based on their marital status? Remove protections from LGBT people? Try to remove birthright citizenship and state their plans to mass incarcerate and possibly deport people who became citizens that way? Repeatedly ignore court decisions? Dismantle federal agencies based only on their political affiliation? Appoint the worst cabinet in US history? Threaten to jail the people investigating January 6th? Try to remove judges who ruled against them? Cut the suicide hotline for LGBT people? Beat and jail people protesting ICE raids? Try to run for a third term and sieze federal control of elections? Make moves to conquer Greenland? Lie, cheat, scam, rape, steal, corrupt, and otherwise destroy anything they get their hands on? Remove government watchdogs? Cancel federal funding for health research based on bullshit keywords? Destroy trust in public health? Destroy longstanding peace agreements? Legally erase trans people and steal their federal IDs? I could go on.
“so much better” is where we disagree. The dude was a monster.
Not that I know of. But he sure did that to innocent people on land.
Yes
Nope, but he forced people back to dangerous offices, killing thousands. He backed a genocide, killing multiple thousands. Bombed the hell out of who-knows-how many people. I don’t really care what tool someone used to kill others, I care that they killed others.
Yes
Yes
No, but he sat back and did nothing when that happened, and had the full power to help them.
Yes
Yes
I could go on, but it’s clear that you are ignoring my point: We were talking about “meaningfully different results”. Just because Biden didn’t do the exact same things as Trump doens’t mean that Biden gave us “meaningfully different results”.