I’m also neurodivergent. This is not neurodivergence on display, this is a person who has mentally diverged from reality. It’s word salad.
I appreciate your perspective on recursion, though I think your philosophical generosity is misplaced. Just look at the following sentence he spoke:
And if you’re recursive, the non-governmental system isolates you, mirrors you, and replaces you.
This sentence explicitly states that some people can be recursive, and it implies that some people cannot be recursive. But people are not recursive at all. Their thinking might be, as you pointed out; intangible concepts might be recursive, but tangible things themselves are not recursive—they simply are what they are. It’s the same as saying an orange is recursive, or a melody is recursive. It’s nonsense.
And what’s that last bit about being isolated, mirrored, and replaced? It’s anyone’s guess, and it sounds an awful lot like someone with paranoid delusions about secret organizations pulling unseen strings from the shadows.
I think it’s good you have a generous spirit, but I think you’re just casting your pearls before swine, in this case.
Since recursion in humans has no commonly understood definition, Geoff and ChatGPT are each working off of diverging understandings. If users don’t validate definitions, getting abstract with a chatbot would lead to conceptual breakdown… that does not sound fun to experience.
To me, personally, I read that sentence as follows:
And if you’re recursive
“If you’re someone who think/see things in a recursive manner” (characteristic of people who are inclined to question and deeply ponder about things, or doesn’t conform with the current state of the world)
the non-governmental system
a.k.a. generative models (they’re corporate products and services, not ran directly by governments, even though some governments, such as the US, have been injecting obscene amounts of money into the so-called “AI”)
isolates you
LLMs can, for example, reject that person’s CV whenever they apply for a job, or output a biased report on the person’s productivity, solely based on the shared data between “partners”. Data is definitely shared among “partners”, and this includes third-party inputting data directly or indirectly produced by such people: it’s just a matter of “connecting the dots” to make a link between a given input to another given input regarding on how they’re referring to a given person, even when the person used a pseudonym somewhere, because linguistic fingerprinting (i.e. how a person writes or structures their speech) is a thing, just like everybody got a “walking gait” and voice/intonation unique to them.
mirrors you
Generative models (LLMs, VLMs, etc) will definitely use the input data from inferences to train, and this data can include data from anybody (public or private), so everything you ever said or did will eventually exist in a perpetual manner inside the trillion weights from a corporate generative model. Then, there are “ideas” such as Meta’s on generating people (which of course will emerge from a statistical blend between existing people) to fill their “social platforms”, and there are already occurrences of “AI” being used for mimicking deceased people.
and replaces you.
See the previous “LLMs can reject that person’s resume”. The person will be replaced like a defective cog in a machine. Even worse: the person will be replaced by some “agentic [sic] AI”.
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Maybe I’m naive to make this specific interpretation from what Lewis said, but it’s how I see and think about things.
I dunno if I’d call that naive, but I’m sure you’ll agree that you are reading a lot into it on your own; you are the one giving those statements extra meaning, and I think it’s very generous of you to do so.
I’m also neurodivergent. This is not neurodivergence on display, this is a person who has mentally diverged from reality. It’s word salad.
I appreciate your perspective on recursion, though I think your philosophical generosity is misplaced. Just look at the following sentence he spoke:
This sentence explicitly states that some people can be recursive, and it implies that some people cannot be recursive. But people are not recursive at all. Their thinking might be, as you pointed out; intangible concepts might be recursive, but tangible things themselves are not recursive—they simply are what they are. It’s the same as saying an orange is recursive, or a melody is recursive. It’s nonsense.
And what’s that last bit about being isolated, mirrored, and replaced? It’s anyone’s guess, and it sounds an awful lot like someone with paranoid delusions about secret organizations pulling unseen strings from the shadows.
I think it’s good you have a generous spirit, but I think you’re just casting your pearls before swine, in this case.
Since recursion in humans has no commonly understood definition, Geoff and ChatGPT are each working off of diverging understandings. If users don’t validate definitions, getting abstract with a chatbot would lead to conceptual breakdown… that does not sound fun to experience.
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To me, personally, I read that sentence as follows:
“If you’re someone who think/see things in a recursive manner” (characteristic of people who are inclined to question and deeply ponder about things, or doesn’t conform with the current state of the world)
a.k.a. generative models (they’re corporate products and services, not ran directly by governments, even though some governments, such as the US, have been injecting obscene amounts of money into the so-called “AI”)
LLMs can, for example, reject that person’s CV whenever they apply for a job, or output a biased report on the person’s productivity, solely based on the shared data between “partners”. Data is definitely shared among “partners”, and this includes third-party inputting data directly or indirectly produced by such people: it’s just a matter of “connecting the dots” to make a link between a given input to another given input regarding on how they’re referring to a given person, even when the person used a pseudonym somewhere, because linguistic fingerprinting (i.e. how a person writes or structures their speech) is a thing, just like everybody got a “walking gait” and voice/intonation unique to them.
Generative models (LLMs, VLMs, etc) will definitely use the input data from inferences to train, and this data can include data from anybody (public or private), so everything you ever said or did will eventually exist in a perpetual manner inside the trillion weights from a corporate generative model. Then, there are “ideas” such as Meta’s on generating people (which of course will emerge from a statistical blend between existing people) to fill their “social platforms”, and there are already occurrences of “AI” being used for mimicking deceased people.
See the previous “LLMs can reject that person’s resume”. The person will be replaced like a defective cog in a machine. Even worse: the person will be replaced by some “agentic [sic] AI”.
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Maybe I’m naive to make this specific interpretation from what Lewis said, but it’s how I see and think about things.
I dunno if I’d call that naive, but I’m sure you’ll agree that you are reading a lot into it on your own; you are the one giving those statements extra meaning, and I think it’s very generous of you to do so.