the problem you’re pointing at is liberalism, telling liberals not to vote is not going to make them less liberal.
because of your electoral system not voting is equivalent to voting for the winner, because there isn’t a quorum at which an election is invalidated. take france: a 2-round system is not perfect but allows for genuine voting for small very left-aligned parties, and then eventually voting defensively later
your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do
i’m not arguing that using the master’s tools will free us from masters, more must happen (france has many examples, again…), but it seems very clear to me that not using a tool to make a point is virtue signaling towards either peers (who are already aligned with you anyway) or opponents (who don’t care)
btw i’d love to hear how this is “imperialist propaganda” and hear an opinion regarding actually addressing imperialism which is beyond “both bad” because last US low vote turnout didn’t really seem to hurt the empire, or reduce the dropped bombs. there’s always more proletariat than bourgeoisie so act like that
your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do
Your idea of basic human decency is to write off Palestinians as doomed no matter what, so might as well just vote to only genocide them?
Venezuela has been under siege before Trump ever took step into office, Iran is a thing both parties agree on. After all, Kamala Harris said that Iran is their greatest threat. Democrats were also itching to bomb Iran.
this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader.
i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda (“climate doomerism” may be an interesting and related read)
this is propaganda
voting is in no way incompatible with mutual aid and community self defense
a bipartisan political system is ridiculous yet not engaging with it at all benefits only those already in power
may as well pick who you’re going to protest against
anyone pushing this false dichotomy has ulterior motives, likely in the exact system they’re trying to keep you away from
Remember “help us get Biden elected and we’ll help push him left?”
Voting is incompatible, because Liberals will just vote and then go back to brunch of their candidate wins.
It’s also incompatible with basic human decency to vote for a candidate who’s shown they’re happy to support an ongoing genocide.
the problem you’re pointing at is liberalism, telling liberals not to vote is not going to make them less liberal.
because of your electoral system not voting is equivalent to voting for the winner, because there isn’t a quorum at which an election is invalidated. take france: a 2-round system is not perfect but allows for genuine voting for small very left-aligned parties, and then eventually voting defensively later
your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do
i’m not arguing that using the master’s tools will free us from masters, more must happen (france has many examples, again…), but it seems very clear to me that not using a tool to make a point is virtue signaling towards either peers (who are already aligned with you anyway) or opponents (who don’t care)
btw i’d love to hear how this is “imperialist propaganda” and hear an opinion regarding actually addressing imperialism which is beyond “both bad” because last US low vote turnout didn’t really seem to hurt the empire, or reduce the dropped bombs. there’s always more proletariat than bourgeoisie so act like that
You’re really desperate for brunch huh
Your idea of basic human decency is to write off Palestinians as doomed no matter what, so might as well just vote to only genocide them?
Venezuela has been under siege before Trump ever took step into office, Iran is a thing both parties agree on. After all, Kamala Harris said that Iran is their greatest threat. Democrats were also itching to bomb Iran.
if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot
also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too
once again, you’re pushing a false dichotomy
kamala wasn’t nominated in the primary.
I’m not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians.
There wasn’t even a primary for her lol
Engaging with the theater benefits media companies (a.k.a. those in power). They make fat cash from the spectacle.
watch less tv, support local news networks. you know, part of the “communal help” you propose as an alternative
reminder this is a false dichotomy
You want me to support the local bourgeoise who feed people regurgigated cia material? How about no, class traitor.
what? who said bourgeoisie? do you not have community run outlets? it seems to me you need to go outside and see what other comrades are up to
That’s what you’re trying to distract from.
this is bait, i swear you can turn off the tv and log off. as far as i know voting in the US does not include mandatory watching of state propaganda and cheering for the leader.
i fully endorse disengaging from propaganda machines, turns out telling folks that nothing makes a difference anyway is propaganda (“climate doomerism” may be an interesting and related read)