• iltg@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    the problem you’re pointing at is liberalism, telling liberals not to vote is not going to make them less liberal.

    because of your electoral system not voting is equivalent to voting for the winner, because there isn’t a quorum at which an election is invalidated. take france: a 2-round system is not perfect but allows for genuine voting for small very left-aligned parties, and then eventually voting defensively later

    your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do

    i’m not arguing that using the master’s tools will free us from masters, more must happen (france has many examples, again…), but it seems very clear to me that not using a tool to make a point is virtue signaling towards either peers (who are already aligned with you anyway) or opponents (who don’t care)

    btw i’d love to hear how this is “imperialist propaganda” and hear an opinion regarding actually addressing imperialism which is beyond “both bad” because last US low vote turnout didn’t really seem to hurt the empire, or reduce the dropped bombs. there’s always more proletariat than bourgeoisie so act like that

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      your description of “basic human decency” is also very dishonest in my opinion: between bombing gaza and bombing gaza+venezuela+iran you can easily pick the lesser evil. while people in gaza see no difference (which is also arguable), two other countries, and people there, definitely do

      Your idea of basic human decency is to write off Palestinians as doomed no matter what, so might as well just vote to only genocide them?

      Venezuela has been under siege before Trump ever took step into office, Iran is a thing both parties agree on. After all, Kamala Harris said that Iran is their greatest threat. Democrats were also itching to bomb Iran.

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        both bad amirite

        if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot

        also who do you think put kamala there? vote at primaries too

        once again, you’re pushing a false dichotomy

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          if “both sides” genocide palestine, voting or not changes nothing for palestinians, right? so go block a station or something and then cast the ballot

          I’m not an Amerikan. Your voting enables genocide and you justify that by writing off Palestinians.

          also who do you think put kamala there?

          There wasn’t even a primary for her lol