Y’all americans should never have been given independence, you’re clearly unfit to govern yourselves.
Europe is a bunch of US vassal states continually shooting themselves in the foot and growing further reliant on the US because they’re freaking out about Russia wanting NATO to uphold its treaties.
The British Commonwealth is full of decrepit racists that can’t even keep themselves from starving or their countries from burning.
So whereever you come from youre not doing better.
Brilliant rebuttal by the way, and very impressed you managed to read all those linked texts that fast. Perhaps you would gain something if you dont just look at the scribbly symbols but try to sound them out so at understand what words they make up. It will take you a bit longer, but it will also make you able to actually understand why people disagree with you and then adress it.
I assume thats what you want, since you’re trying to argue about that very topic, and I must assume you struggled to read the text since the only other conclusion to make is that you did read it and you don’t actually have any arguments that haven’t been shot down by the text, but you’re too fucked in the head to admit that, so instead you retreat to your little den, like a hermit crab living in a soda can.
Youre right, it would have been much better if your team got to do it, because then you could just ignore it. Now you have to pretend to care, im so sorry.
No, I’m not ignoring it, however I would have been able to ignore the destruction of women’s reproductive rights, the mass scale trampling of due process for deportations, etc. because, unlike the genocide, it would not have happened.
I’m not ignoring it, however I would have been able to ignore the destruction of women’s reproductive rights, the mass scale trampling of due process for deportations,
So you are ignoring it. Funny to mention a bunch of things that occurred under democrat leadership by the way, was that on purpose? Anyway, read the link, since you are so set on discussing, so we can actually have a discussion of substance.
I’m literally acknowledging genocide is happening but I suppose having lost the box with your brain, you might not have the required base IQ to understand words.
Before grabbing my rifle, I’d appreciate it if people would at least try voting first.
Vote Democrat in the general election for harm reduction, and vote in the Democratic primaries to move the party left.
Gas prices are at record highs. Whatever your thoughts are on cars or how gas may still be too cheap considering the damage it causes or whatever, the reality is that high gas prices have historically been really bad for incumbent parties in mid-terms. With that and the historic disapproval rating of Trump, there hasn’t been an election more primed for a flip than this one in our lifetimes.
It’s why they’re working so fucking hard to supress votes. They know they’re in real trouble.
People have tried voting for hundreds of years. Not once has the working class had power, beyond perhaps the brief period of reconstruction before the capitalists in the north worked with the capitalists in the south to put a stop to it. The idea that the DNC can be “pushed left” is based on a belief that the state exists outside of class society, rather than being built upon it. The capitalist state isn’t a capitalist state because capitalists control it, but because it is shaped and reinforced by the capitalist system it rests on top of. You cannot change that by simply changing who runs it.
I’d appreciate it if people would at least try voting first.
The degree to which BlueMaga has completely memory holed the entire 2020-24 period is impressive. Or it would be if liberals were ever capable of remembering something that happened more than a few weeks ago.
How many times did Biden bomb Iran? How many heads of state did he arrest? How many global trade wars did he start? When did Biden kill USAID resulting in the deaths of millions worldwide? When did he make a settlement with himself to prevent prosecution of his financial crimes? When did he pardon thousands of people for trying to violently overthrow an election? When did he deploy the military on US cities to round up anyone who looked like they may be Mexican?
You’re either a fucking idiot or a right-wing troll trying to convince people not to vote against the GOP. Either way, kindly shut up and get out of the way.
I’ve been voting in every major election since 2016, and I don’t regret doing it but I do feel myself becoming more and more disillusioned each time about whether the sort of democratic machinery we’ve built is even capable of producing the sort of radical change the American empire desperately needs. I really can’t blame people who’ve concluded that voting isn’t going to work.
The meme doesn’t really say anything about what should be done. It’s describing the current situation in a way that highlights the ineffectiveness of electoral politics.
Because doing the same thing we always do, which is how we’ve come to this point, will definitely change this this time… As opposed to trying literally anything else, which, since we’ve never tried to do it, we can with complete certainty say will not work.
Yes things have been getting worse for a long time now. You know what I’m sure will help? If we keep doing the thing we’ve been doing all the while things have been getting worse.
you should not expect anything to change by voting and history proves that substantial & enduring changes can only comes from us.
still you should vote, even if it’s for your dog, but there are better uses for it. the epstein class assumes that you will vote for one of their approved parties, so cooperating in this system the way they want you to only serves to help validate it at best.
Youre the only one talking about voting for a dog. Youre also the one who’s reducing all political action down to voting.
And you’re also the one who is arguing against “don’t vote democrat” on the basis of “we need to change things”, which seems like the least logical line of reasoning available. By doing the same thing we have done every election so far, by further entrenching the group we wish to replace or reform, we will somehow affect change because… Even though it’s the same people and the same conditions you think it will be different this time?
Actual psychosis.
I’m not arguing any of those things. I’m saying this meme is dumb, and most of the responses telling me how actually it’s really deep, are also dumb. Because they reduce down to “voting for your dog is just as good” and the guy you’re defending who is replying to me actually agrees with me. Take a deep breath
voting on lemmy doesn’t matter – only the stomach you have for questioning your own indoctrination does.
voting for your dog isn’t realistic, but voting for psl or green or communist is realistic and many countries have been doing it for decades and things are much better for their people as result compared to americans.
voting to change anything also isn’t realistic, but mexico proved that it was still possible in 2017 and that’s why they have president shienbaum while we’re stuck with president trump.
Which is still far more chance of changing things than you get by voting more power to the people actively opposed to changing anything that benefits their donors.
Except that isn’t true. By ceding your choice, you enable the worse outcome. That’s fine by you thought because really you’re an accelerationist above all else. Hasten the burn, you want to pickup the ashes
Accelerationism isn’t “make things bad by burning them down,” it’s accelerating the accumulation of capital and therefore the collapse of capitalism by supporting the most competent imperialists, which in this case would mean supporting the DNC. The communist take is to oppose both the DNC and GOP, the accelerationist take is to support the DNC.
The worse outcome is either Wall St fellating warmonger winning . The worse outcome is ShitLibs like you getting their wish to return to the pre-Trump status quo.
you’re an accelerationist above all else.
Thanks for making it so obvious this early on the convo that you don’t know what the words you’re using mean. It’ll save a lot of confusion later
There is more to do than just vote. Not voting democrat isn’t the only thing in the world.
Secondly Not voting for a candidate is not “ceding” anything, you are, by definition, not giving them something. In reality “vote blue no matter who” is “ceding your choice”, since you cede all leverage and all reason to consider you when considering popular support for policy positions, since you will vote for them no matter what. You have ceded your vote to them.
You are also using accelerationist incorrectly. An accelerationist would vote for the most competent accumulator of capital, since an accelerationist believes this to be the end-point of capitalism and this point must be reached before socialist revolution can happen. They wish to get to that point as quickly as possible. The accelerationist position would most likely lead to a person voting democrat, since they are more competent administrators of empire.
You can tell one of the podcasts or blusky accounts BlueMaga liberals get their talking points from used this term by the way they’ve all started constantly parroting it and usually using it wrong.
the assumption that you’re ceding your choice or that your choice is going to make a difference is were reality gets disconnected.
the fact of the matter is, we’ve been voting this way for most of a century now and it has already lead us to the same places that your understanding of accelerationism would lead us to anyways – climate change that’s guaranteed to fuck up human civilization; a panopticon powered by AI, financed by genociders, and will keep feeding off your body for the rest of your life like you’re in the matrix; and a ruling epstein class that’s so privileged it can literally publicly flaunt it’s depraved desires to fuck/kill children with zero repercussions.
Chastising people because they voted one of the two viable options is self defeating bullshit. And drawing larger conclusions about them is wrong. Always get roped in the same tired argument on Lemmy
No, it just says you need to stay awake the other 729 days of the biannual cycle. You obviously don’t want to do that, so you pretend it says something it doesn’t.
Not arsed enough to actually go check, but I’m pretty sure you’re the only person I replied to at all,
And if the meme is tired your plaintive whining about “why won’t you all just vote for the blue genocide team so I can check back out” is fucking exhausted.
Not depicted, cool guy smoking cigarettes with thought bubble: “I did nothing to change this but post memes to Lemmy”
Meme written by the “privileged enough to not be the target of the bad guys” gang
Yours is a comment written by one privileged to not be targeted by a trillion dollar war industry every day for decades.
I spent four years dodging rubber bullets from the bad guys while you were at brunch
“bad guys” are you a child? Your understanding of politics is on the level of one
Still better than your understanding of politics
Read. The. Link. Or fuck off.
What link, all I see is a stupid dumb ‘both sides’ meme designed to make Republicans win again next time.
Y’all americans should never have been given independence, you’re clearly unfit to govern yourselves.
You’ve been given it once already.
Europe is a bunch of US vassal states continually shooting themselves in the foot and growing further reliant on the US because they’re freaking out about Russia wanting NATO to uphold its treaties.
The British Commonwealth is full of decrepit racists that can’t even keep themselves from starving or their countries from burning.
So whereever you come from youre not doing better.
Are you confused? (Rhetorical question, I know you are)
I made like 3 comments in this thread. First time seeing this.
Anyway, I clicked on your link, and it’s stupid. Have a nice day.
go back to reddit
Sure, buddy, we can pretend that.
Brilliant rebuttal by the way, and very impressed you managed to read all those linked texts that fast. Perhaps you would gain something if you dont just look at the scribbly symbols but try to sound them out so at understand what words they make up. It will take you a bit longer, but it will also make you able to actually understand why people disagree with you and then adress it.
I assume thats what you want, since you’re trying to argue about that very topic, and I must assume you struggled to read the text since the only other conclusion to make is that you did read it and you don’t actually have any arguments that haven’t been shot down by the text, but you’re too fucked in the head to admit that, so instead you retreat to your little den, like a hermit crab living in a soda can.
Or the people who are the targets of of the “good guys” genocide
It’s a good thing they are not getting genocided right now.
Smug about genocide. You’re a fascist who just wants treats and would have millions killed for it. Follow your leader.
Smug about genocide? What are you even talking about.
JFC y’all dumber than a box of rocks.
You are saying that genocide would happen no matter what, whether you are intending to or not.
Are the Democrats in power right now?
no, because then you’d be off to brunch and sleeping soundly for 4 years as genocide continues
Youre right, it would have been much better if your team got to do it, because then you could just ignore it. Now you have to pretend to care, im so sorry.
No, I’m not ignoring it, however I would have been able to ignore the destruction of women’s reproductive rights, the mass scale trampling of due process for deportations, etc. because, unlike the genocide, it would not have happened.
you are disgusting
Roe v. Wade was overturned during Biden’s term, deportation was a campaign promise from Kamala.
And the way you resign on the genocide being inevitable and doomed to keep going is what makes you a fucking privileged monster.
So you are ignoring it. Funny to mention a bunch of things that occurred under democrat leadership by the way, was that on purpose? Anyway, read the link, since you are so set on discussing, so we can actually have a discussion of substance.
“I’m not ignoring it.”
“Oh so you are ignoring it!”
I’m done arguing with single brain cell organisms.
go back to reddit
“I’m not hitting you!”
“But you are”
'“nuh uh, I just said I wasn’t and what I say is all that matters”
You have the mentality of a cartoon bully
BlueMaga genocide denial
Have you lost the box?
Edit: why do I feel like I already made that joke directed at you.
Fuck off, genocide denier
Oh, I did make the same joke. On the same topic too.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19961568
I guess you’re just as braindead as you were back then
I’m literally acknowledging genocide is happening but I suppose having lost the box with your brain, you might not have the required base IQ to understand words.
Erg, go back to reddit you insufferable loser
Hey, instead of arguing on Lemmy about who is being more useless, can we just try to stop the damn child killing machine together
Before grabbing my rifle, I’d appreciate it if people would at least try voting first.
Vote Democrat in the general election for harm reduction, and vote in the Democratic primaries to move the party left.
Gas prices are at record highs. Whatever your thoughts are on cars or how gas may still be too cheap considering the damage it causes or whatever, the reality is that high gas prices have historically been really bad for incumbent parties in mid-terms. With that and the historic disapproval rating of Trump, there hasn’t been an election more primed for a flip than this one in our lifetimes.
It’s why they’re working so fucking hard to supress votes. They know they’re in real trouble.
People have tried voting for hundreds of years. Not once has the working class had power, beyond perhaps the brief period of reconstruction before the capitalists in the north worked with the capitalists in the south to put a stop to it. The idea that the DNC can be “pushed left” is based on a belief that the state exists outside of class society, rather than being built upon it. The capitalist state isn’t a capitalist state because capitalists control it, but because it is shaped and reinforced by the capitalist system it rests on top of. You cannot change that by simply changing who runs it.
The degree to which BlueMaga has completely memory holed the entire 2020-24 period is impressive. Or it would be if liberals were ever capable of remembering something that happened more than a few weeks ago.
How many times did Biden bomb Iran? How many heads of state did he arrest? How many global trade wars did he start? When did Biden kill USAID resulting in the deaths of millions worldwide? When did he make a settlement with himself to prevent prosecution of his financial crimes? When did he pardon thousands of people for trying to violently overthrow an election? When did he deploy the military on US cities to round up anyone who looked like they may be Mexican?
You’re either a fucking idiot or a right-wing troll trying to convince people not to vote against the GOP. Either way, kindly shut up and get out of the way.
How’d stopping fascism by winning the most important election of our lifetimes six years ago work out?
And there’s that memory holing I was talking about.
I’ve been voting in every major election since 2016, and I don’t regret doing it but I do feel myself becoming more and more disillusioned each time about whether the sort of democratic machinery we’ve built is even capable of producing the sort of radical change the American empire desperately needs. I really can’t blame people who’ve concluded that voting isn’t going to work.
It has been two hundred years of trying voting and we’re now 1943 Germany.
Simply be honest: there is nothing on Earth that could happen that would make you pick up your rifle, just as long as it wasn’t happening to you.
Democrats arent harm reduction
It can only be changed by liberals waking up
Really cuz this meme seems to suggest they should sleep through election day
The meme implies we should guillotine powerful people that kill foreign children
The meme doesn’t really say anything about what should be done. It’s describing the current situation in a way that highlights the ineffectiveness of electoral politics.
That would probably be the most woke thing they could do, if the only alternative to voting democrat is to completely check out.
Thanks for confirming. Get out of my replies
Use the block button, dumbass
Or just, stop?
Banned lmao
Why?
there’s more than 2 parties you can vote for and the meme shows why the 2 dominant parties are no different where it matters.
Yep and you can write in your dog’s name too. That as as much chance of changing things.
Because doing the same thing we always do, which is how we’ve come to this point, will definitely change this this time… As opposed to trying literally anything else, which, since we’ve never tried to do it, we can with complete certainty say will not work.
Brilliant reasoning you got there.
I actually think things are uniquely bad right now for my lifetime and were made worse by Ralph nader voters like you
Ralph Nader voters never hurt anyone
Yes things have been getting worse for a long time now. You know what I’m sure will help? If we keep doing the thing we’ve been doing all the while things have been getting worse.
you should not expect anything to change by voting and history proves that substantial & enduring changes can only comes from us.
still you should vote, even if it’s for your dog, but there are better uses for it. the epstein class assumes that you will vote for one of their approved parties, so cooperating in this system the way they want you to only serves to help validate it at best.
I realize I’m running a foul of approved Lemmy talking points but voting for your dog and persistent at ot forever don’t seem realistic to me
Youre the only one talking about voting for a dog. Youre also the one who’s reducing all political action down to voting.
And you’re also the one who is arguing against “don’t vote democrat” on the basis of “we need to change things”, which seems like the least logical line of reasoning available. By doing the same thing we have done every election so far, by further entrenching the group we wish to replace or reform, we will somehow affect change because… Even though it’s the same people and the same conditions you think it will be different this time?
Actual psychosis.
I’m not arguing any of those things. I’m saying this meme is dumb, and most of the responses telling me how actually it’s really deep, are also dumb. Because they reduce down to “voting for your dog is just as good” and the guy you’re defending who is replying to me actually agrees with me. Take a deep breath
voting on lemmy doesn’t matter – only the stomach you have for questioning your own indoctrination does.
voting for your dog isn’t realistic, but voting for psl or green or communist is realistic and many countries have been doing it for decades and things are much better for their people as result compared to americans.
voting to change anything also isn’t realistic, but mexico proved that it was still possible in 2017 and that’s why they have president shienbaum while we’re stuck with president trump.
This meme is shit
Which is still far more chance of changing things than you get by voting more power to the people actively opposed to changing anything that benefits their donors.
Except that isn’t true. By ceding your choice, you enable the worse outcome. That’s fine by you thought because really you’re an accelerationist above all else. Hasten the burn, you want to pickup the ashes
Accelerationism isn’t “make things bad by burning them down,” it’s accelerating the accumulation of capital and therefore the collapse of capitalism by supporting the most competent imperialists, which in this case would mean supporting the DNC. The communist take is to oppose both the DNC and GOP, the accelerationist take is to support the DNC.
Wrong lol
The worse outcome is either Wall St fellating warmonger winning . The worse outcome is ShitLibs like you getting their wish to return to the pre-Trump status quo.
Thanks for making it so obvious this early on the convo that you don’t know what the words you’re using mean. It’ll save a lot of confusion later
There is more to do than just vote. Not voting democrat isn’t the only thing in the world.
Secondly Not voting for a candidate is not “ceding” anything, you are, by definition, not giving them something. In reality “vote blue no matter who” is “ceding your choice”, since you cede all leverage and all reason to consider you when considering popular support for policy positions, since you will vote for them no matter what. You have ceded your vote to them.
You are also using accelerationist incorrectly. An accelerationist would vote for the most competent accumulator of capital, since an accelerationist believes this to be the end-point of capitalism and this point must be reached before socialist revolution can happen. They wish to get to that point as quickly as possible. The accelerationist position would most likely lead to a person voting democrat, since they are more competent administrators of empire.
This could be the dumbest shit I’ve ever read
You can tell one of the podcasts or blusky accounts BlueMaga liberals get their talking points from used this term by the way they’ve all started constantly parroting it and usually using it wrong.
Never heard that one before. Thank goodness for the Lemmy and it’s deep well of right-think. You can truly find a diverse set of opinions here
the assumption that you’re ceding your choice or that your choice is going to make a difference is were reality gets disconnected.
the fact of the matter is, we’ve been voting this way for most of a century now and it has already lead us to the same places that your understanding of accelerationism would lead us to anyways – climate change that’s guaranteed to fuck up human civilization; a panopticon powered by AI, financed by genociders, and will keep feeding off your body for the rest of your life like you’re in the matrix; and a ruling epstein class that’s so privileged it can literally publicly flaunt it’s depraved desires to fuck/kill children with zero repercussions.
Chastising people because they voted one of the two viable options is self defeating bullshit. And drawing larger conclusions about them is wrong. Always get roped in the same tired argument on Lemmy
No, it just says you need to stay awake the other 729 days of the biannual cycle. You obviously don’t want to do that, so you pretend it says something it doesn’t.
Do I really? You got all that from this short exchange? Interesting.
I’m not getting the “get involved outside of national election cycles” vibe from this meme that you are .
Go back to reddit
Nice one dude
Go back to reddit
Leave me alone
That would be because you don’t want to.
You want to vote for “the good guys” and go back to brunch.
LMAO you already decided how you’re gonna respond and reply this to everyone critical of this very tired “meme”
Not arsed enough to actually go check, but I’m pretty sure you’re the only person I replied to at all,
And if the meme is tired your plaintive whining about “why won’t you all just vote for the blue genocide team so I can check back out” is fucking exhausted.
No they’re responding like this to you because you suck, not because you dared to critique a meme.
No, it’s because you suck! If you’re gonna criticize my ms paint you do it on my terms! LMFAO are u for real