Ukraine winning means the dying of civilians stops. Ukraine giving up would not have the same result.
Ukraine winning, Ukraine giving up, Ukraine making a peace deal with Russia, Russia winning - all those options will mean the dying of civilians stops.
The only option where people will continue to die is the option you (probably) support - continuing the war.
Russia winning means, the dying will continue in the suppression of their new subjects and in future invasions since this one would have been successful in the end.
How many people have died from “supression” (whatever it means in this context) in the Crimea, that has been occupied for 10 years now?
And the next question - how come this number (is it 0 or more?) is less then the number of civilians (some of whom be Ukrainians or ex-Ukrainians) that died from Ukrainian shelling of Crimea?
Do you think people should have a choice of dying in this, very real, war, or in some hypothetical could-happen war in the future?
From the header of the article there were 2 soldiers killed and 2 civilians killed. So equal to amount of people that died just from the Ukrainian shelling of Crimea in 2024 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2024_Sevastopol_missile_attack. How does it misalign with anything I’ve said?
move the goalposts however youd like I’ll make sure I refute every single one.
Okay sure! First task for you: quote me moving goalposts in this thread at least once :) This has been about Crimea from the start, and you’re the one trying to move the goalpost :)
You lie, moskals have been observed to continue stealing, raping, killing and ethnic cleansing long after any hostilities ceased in many armed conflicts before. Their behaviour in Bucha and elsewhere proves they haven’t changed one bit.
Ukraine winning, Ukraine giving up, Ukraine making a peace deal with Russia, Russia winning - all those options will mean the dying of civilians stops.
The only option where people will continue to die is the option you (probably) support - continuing the war.
That is not my perception.
Russia winning means, the dying will continue in the suppression of their new subjects and in future invasions since this one would have been successful in the end.
How many people have died from “supression” (whatever it means in this context) in the Crimea, that has been occupied for 10 years now?
And the next question - how come this number (is it 0 or more?) is less then the number of civilians (some of whom be Ukrainians or ex-Ukrainians) that died from Ukrainian shelling of Crimea?
Do you think people should have a choice of dying in this, very real, war, or in some hypothetical could-happen war in the future?
Bro people died defending it and the rest fled so they weren’t raped or sledgehammered to death.
What’s your solution dipshit.
Are we still talking about Crimea? Because what you are saying is completely false…
Please link some proofs to what you’re saying.
Are you honestly looking for proof of the crimean invasion famously costing Ukraine an international airport and many many dead defenders.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport
The only people who say no one died dispite all evidence otherwise is Russia.
Ed: PS claiming you’re Ukrainian is pretty shitty boss, you clearly aren’t what’s next you have cancer and a Canadian girlfriend?
Are you trolling or something?
We are talking about Crimea in 2014, and you are linking an article from 2022 about Kiev…
6 dead
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
Try again dipshit, move the goalposts however youd like I’ll make sure I refute every single one.
Donbas also 2014 invasion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
From the header of the article there were 2 soldiers killed and 2 civilians killed. So equal to amount of people that died just from the Ukrainian shelling of Crimea in 2024 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2024_Sevastopol_missile_attack. How does it misalign with anything I’ve said?
Okay sure! First task for you: quote me moving goalposts in this thread at least once :) This has been about Crimea from the start, and you’re the one trying to move the goalpost :)
Oops you just moved the goalpost…
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You lie, moskals have been observed to continue stealing, raping, killing and ethnic cleansing long after any hostilities ceased in many armed conflicts before. Their behaviour in Bucha and elsewhere proves they haven’t changed one bit.
Oh wow we got some “have to blow off the dust it is so old” racism here