I’m trying to understand the hype. Is it cause this stuff is normally a pain to configure? I thought the point of Arch was to define your own system. Why would I use Omarchy? Also every tech influencer is pushing this distro like it’s the best thing since Linux was released but the use case seems very narrow to me. Tiling wm aren’t for everyone so why are they all so excited for this? It does look sleek depending on the theme but I just don’t get it.
It appeals to the people who think a tiling WM looks cool but can’t be bothered to do the most basic documentation reading to install and configure it.
every tech influencer is pushing this distro
Not any of the ones that I follow. Perhaps that’s a signal to curate who you listen to.
Paperwm is awesome but admitting you like gnome isn’t cool and edgy. Allowing you to flex over people who actually know what they’re doing, so it’s not good
I’ve been using tiling window managers for 15+ years (Mostly awesomewm but also ion/i3). I tried using the tiling extension for GNOME and it was pretty awful. Maybe it has improved since then but last time I checked GNOME still couldn’t handle multiple workspaces on multiple monitors the way I want so that’s a nonstarter for me. I’m currently using Hyprland on Fedora because i3 and sway couldn’t easily replicate some functionality I had in AwesomeWM when I migrated to wayland.
Tiling wm aren’t for everyone so why are they all so excited for this?
There seems to be an expectation in the Linux community that everybody who sticks with Linux long-term will eventually “graduate” to a tiling wm someday. Even though I’ve used Linux for 20 years and still prefer KDE.
KDE just keeps getting better.
I’ve recently played around with Niri with DMS. it’s fun and looks cool, but eventually it’s back to KDE when I need to some work done.
In theory I really like tiling window managers. I generally want to have 1-4 windows open in full screen per workspace/monitor and prefer to use just my keyboard as much as possible.
In practice, I haven’t found one that works well with dialog, fixed sized, or modal windows well enough to not get annoying, while most traditional window managers/desktop environments have good enough keyboard shortcuts and window snapping.
… I haven’t found one that works well with dialog, fixed sized, or modal windows well enough to not get annoying,
This so, so much. I:ve been on Sway (and i3 before) for a long time and this is such a pain in the ass.
Most gui programs that do more than a simple window just don’t work well with them, dialogs filling up half your screen because of tiling, programs with detachable panels that turn into windows cannot be attached again because the main window doesn’t detect it (puddletag is an example I’ve came across recently).
I know I can setup some rules to make the windows float or have the correct behavior, but it’s just too much to fix every single broken dialog I encounter.
That’s kinda why I’m waiting for COSMIC to mature more. Based on what I’m doing I sometimes prefer floating, sometimes floating. So a DE where both modes are supported equally and can be mixed and matched would be perfect for my preferences.
while most traditional window managers/desktop environments have good enough keyboard shortcuts and window snapping.
The secret that the tiling wm people don’t want you to know: with a little effort of configuring settings and setting up/learning some keyboard shortcuts, KDE can behave an awful lot like a tiling wm when you want it to … while also still behaving like a normal DE when you want it to.
Hate the asshole but I’ll be generous. I think it speaks to a badly underserved market; a desire for a highly curated, opinionated, ‘turn-key’ solution. SteamOS is getting hype for similar reasons; Omarchy is just the techie version of the idea; someone else did the configuration for you.
Part of why I like nixos so much: makes it easy to leverage the work others have done.
I’d definitely be down for a well-maintained, Debian-based (not Ubuntu-based) distro that comes with i3 or sway out of the box and isn’t run by a chud. Configuring your distro of choice with a tiling WM by hand everytime you install on a new device or virtual machine is a chore. There’s certainly a prominent niche of Linux users who like tiling WMs, and those have a lot of overlap with the kind of user who would be interested in a niche distro.
Also, many smaller distros are explicitly anti-chud (indeed even many of the bigger ones talk positively about “diversity” and “inclusiveness”), so chud users would naturally be drawn to the few distros that are run by outspoken chuds.
Yeah, I’m not desperate enough for a preconfigured i3/sway distro to learn a different package manager. There’s also Ubuntu Sway Remix, it’s even configured without Snaps out of the box.
I’m trying to understand the hype. Is it cause this stuff is normally a pain to configure? I thought the point of Arch was to define your own system. Why would I use Omarchy? Also every tech influencer is pushing this distro like it’s the best thing since Linux was released but the use case seems very narrow to me. Tiling wm aren’t for everyone so why are they all so excited for this? It does look sleek depending on the theme but I just don’t get it.
It appeals to the people who think a tiling WM looks cool but can’t be bothered to do the most basic documentation reading to install and configure it.
Not any of the ones that I follow. Perhaps that’s a signal to curate who you listen to.
You can just get a tiling extension for GNOME and it just works, or use sway or i3 there’s no reason for hyprland to exist.
Paperwm is awesome but admitting you like gnome isn’t cool and edgy. Allowing you to flex over people who actually know what they’re doing, so it’s not good
I’ve been using tiling window managers for 15+ years (Mostly awesomewm but also ion/i3). I tried using the tiling extension for GNOME and it was pretty awful. Maybe it has improved since then but last time I checked GNOME still couldn’t handle multiple workspaces on multiple monitors the way I want so that’s a nonstarter for me. I’m currently using Hyprland on Fedora because i3 and sway couldn’t easily replicate some functionality I had in AwesomeWM when I migrated to wayland.
My guess: because DHH is rich and slightly famous, so he can get attention. I think that the hype is completely disproportionate.
There seems to be an expectation in the Linux community that everybody who sticks with Linux long-term will eventually “graduate” to a tiling wm someday. Even though I’ve used Linux for 20 years and still prefer KDE.
KDE just keeps getting better. I’ve recently played around with Niri with DMS. it’s fun and looks cool, but eventually it’s back to KDE when I need to some work done.
Same I still us gnome, though I did use budgie for a while.
In theory I really like tiling window managers. I generally want to have 1-4 windows open in full screen per workspace/monitor and prefer to use just my keyboard as much as possible.
In practice, I haven’t found one that works well with dialog, fixed sized, or modal windows well enough to not get annoying, while most traditional window managers/desktop environments have good enough keyboard shortcuts and window snapping.
This so, so much. I:ve been on Sway (and i3 before) for a long time and this is such a pain in the ass.
Most gui programs that do more than a simple window just don’t work well with them, dialogs filling up half your screen because of tiling, programs with detachable panels that turn into windows cannot be attached again because the main window doesn’t detect it (puddletag is an example I’ve came across recently).
I know I can setup some rules to make the windows float or have the correct behavior, but it’s just too much to fix every single broken dialog I encounter.
That’s kinda why I’m waiting for COSMIC to mature more. Based on what I’m doing I sometimes prefer floating, sometimes floating. So a DE where both modes are supported equally and can be mixed and matched would be perfect for my preferences.
The secret that the tiling wm people don’t want you to know: with a little effort of configuring settings and setting up/learning some keyboard shortcuts, KDE can behave an awful lot like a tiling wm when you want it to … while also still behaving like a normal DE when you want it to.
Can you have an arbitrary program window open in half the screen like in tiling?
currently trying to use sway and I am finding out just how much I miss being able to alt tab through windows on a monitor
Tabbed mode is supposed to replace alt+tab … you could even rebind Mod+Arrow to Alt+Tab if you really wanted (if you didn’t set your Mod key to Alt).
Hate the asshole but I’ll be generous. I think it speaks to a badly underserved market; a desire for a highly curated, opinionated, ‘turn-key’ solution. SteamOS is getting hype for similar reasons; Omarchy is just the techie version of the idea; someone else did the configuration for you.
Part of why I like nixos so much: makes it easy to leverage the work others have done.
I’d definitely be down for a well-maintained, Debian-based (not Ubuntu-based) distro that comes with i3 or sway out of the box and isn’t run by a chud. Configuring your distro of choice with a tiling WM by hand everytime you install on a new device or virtual machine is a chore. There’s certainly a prominent niche of Linux users who like tiling WMs, and those have a lot of overlap with the kind of user who would be interested in a niche distro.
Also, many smaller distros are explicitly anti-chud (indeed even many of the bigger ones talk positively about “diversity” and “inclusiveness”), so chud users would naturally be drawn to the few distros that are run by outspoken chuds.
Don’t know how you feel about fedora, but their atomic sway spin has been great. Rock solid with a sane, functional sway config.
Yeah, I’m not desperate enough for a preconfigured i3/sway distro to learn a different package manager. There’s also Ubuntu Sway Remix, it’s even configured without Snaps out of the box.
Totally fair. I didn’t know there was an Ubuntu sway remix. That’s nice to know.