We’re not talking about a bar fight dude, we’re talking about eight years of ethnic cleansing and the threat of being nuked within minutes. Be serious please.
Ever heard of the ethnic cleansing of the Donbas? The fact that the UKR regime’s attempt at a Holocaust was stopped at “only” a few thousand ethnic Russians does not make them magically not Nazis, nor does it change the perscription.
That’s the thing: we will never know how bad the Donbas war would have gotten if the Russia-Ukraine war hadn’t kicked off. it completely changed the situation for everybody. If, for example, China had invaded the Zionist entity on October 9th 2023 and taken all the zionist’s military resources away from targeting Palestinians, we could make the exact same argument because we wouldn’t know how bad it would have gotten. Of course, we live in the world where we’ve now had three years to see exactly why other countries should have attacked Israel on October 9th. So, so many people would still be alive.
There aren’t many alternatives worse than full scale war. Possibly a large scale genocide that then becomes a war, but this “what if” calculation can split both ways.
Also let’s be real, noble intentions are not what states operate on. That’s the justification used to get someone like yourself on board with the violent invasion and theft of a sovereign country.
Actually I’m comparing world war 2, when a nazi army marched east through Ukraine to visit unspeakable racialized violence upon Russian people, to the Ukraine war, when a nazi army drove east through Ukraine to visit unspeakable racialized violence upon Russian peole.
So they didn’t invade? You can call them Nazis all you like but let’s live in reality.
Germany was a Nazi state and they got invaded, whats your point
After they invaded many other nations beforehand?
Good, so we agree that simply being invaded does not suddenly put a government on the right side of history.
There’s a bit of a difference between a punch to the face and a punch to the face in return. Or are we going to pretend these are the same thing?
We’re not talking about a bar fight dude, we’re talking about eight years of ethnic cleansing and the threat of being nuked within minutes. Be serious please.
I hear the best way to prevent being nuked is turning a cold war into a hot war.
The best way to avoid being nuked is to ensure those interested in nuking you don’t have first strike capabilities no matter the cost.
After they started a world war and killed millions. Ever heard of the Holocaust?
Not really a comparison.
Ever heard of the ethnic cleansing of the Donbas? The fact that the UKR regime’s attempt at a Holocaust was stopped at “only” a few thousand ethnic Russians does not make them magically not Nazis, nor does it change the perscription.
How many ethnic Russians have died in this war? I bet it’s more than a few thousand.
How many ethnic Russian-Ukrainians died before 2022?
It was around 14 thousand and and it started in 2014. History did not start in 2022.
Still way less than the war
That’s the thing: we will never know how bad the Donbas war would have gotten if the Russia-Ukraine war hadn’t kicked off. it completely changed the situation for everybody. If, for example, China had invaded the Zionist entity on October 9th 2023 and taken all the zionist’s military resources away from targeting Palestinians, we could make the exact same argument because we wouldn’t know how bad it would have gotten. Of course, we live in the world where we’ve now had three years to see exactly why other countries should have attacked Israel on October 9th. So, so many people would still be alive.
There aren’t many alternatives worse than full scale war. Possibly a large scale genocide that then becomes a war, but this “what if” calculation can split both ways.
Also let’s be real, noble intentions are not what states operate on. That’s the justification used to get someone like yourself on board with the violent invasion and theft of a sovereign country.
It is nonetheless cometely different than the juatification against Nazi Germany you made.
And the fact that you are doubleing down on that bad comparision shows how your post has seen any seld reflection.
Again, comparing WW2 against the attack of russia agains ukrain.
Actually I’m comparing world war 2, when a nazi army marched east through Ukraine to visit unspeakable racialized violence upon Russian people, to the Ukraine war, when a nazi army drove east through Ukraine to visit unspeakable racialized violence upon Russian peole.