• PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]@anarchist.nexus
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    6 hours ago

    Dismantling statehood, including the orgs that keep Cuba alive like the Cuban revolutionary armed forces, is exactly what the US wants them to do. Your proposals are the exact same as the US, their primary enemies who want to see them fall.

    No it’s not. AmeriKKKa wants far more than mere dismantling the centralized state. AmeriKKKa wants total, complete, permanent submission, to rape the Cubans for their wealth, perpetual enslavement and genocide. I advocate decentralization so that the Cuban people have the best chance of defending themselves from these exact US demands. And I absolutely do not want Cuba to disarm at all; I want to see them stay armed and able to defend themselves against the AmeriKKKan oppressors. But that doesn’t mean I have to turn a blind eye to all the other forms of domination and non-horizontalness that the Cuban state, as a state, allows to develop.

    Must be very important to Cuba to have the support of western anarchists.

    … Are you insinuating I shouldn’t support liberation for the Cuban people from AmeriKKKan imperialism, uncritically for the people of Cuba and critically for the state that lords over them? Like why are you trying to make an enemy to the Cuban people out of me? Seems like a silly move on your part.

    Not capitulating to your bullshit-ass campist framing. Thought you fucking knew better.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
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      3 hours ago

      Anarchism has had zero historical successes, and the 20th century showed that only national liberation struggles backed by proletarian states had any success at defeating capitalist empires.

      The USSR, Cuba, China, Vietnam, all defeated fascist / capitalist states not via dismantling or “decentralizing” power, but through centralizing it in the hands of workers capturing and holding state power. They all explicitly dismissed anarchism as being worthless for the uplifting of their people, and many times had to fight against anarchists who sided with the reactionaries, or advocated dismantling worker-power.

      The historical ignorance and arrogance of western anarchists is truly astounding. Name me a single historical success of anarchism in defeating capitalist-imperialism. The USSR defeated nazi germany, Cuba defeated the US. How many batallions did the anarchists field in those struggles that were some of the most important events in the 20th century?