LG is starting to become indistinguishable from malware.
Their TV software includes residential proxies (your network becomes the proxy), and gets sold to AI scrapers and others. Imagine if that proxy gets used to download CSAM, used for hacking, or gets your household banned from Google?
Samsung phone software is cancer and auto installs whatever the fuck ads and games they want. They installed forced ads onto their fucking fridges.
Also worth noting Dell and Alienware do this too according to Wikipedia.
When the fuck did this become okay? We need to drive these companies out of business for this. They need to get sued for this. In what world is adding unremovable adware legal, how does that not violate the computer misuse and hacking laws?
Things started going downhill when Lenovo wasn’t fined into oblivion in the 2010s for putting malicious spyware on the laptops they sold their customers. And I mean actual literal spyware, as in “installs a root certificate and decrypts and reads all your ‘secure’ internet traffic, ostensibly so it can place random ads in it”. While also leaving gaping holes for attackers to use, of course, but letting a random program written by someone with ties to Israeli intelligence install backdoors throughout their customer base earned Lenova slightly more money so it’s all good!
And that wasn’t even the first or last time Lenovo have done something like that. They just… got a free pass, and this type of thing gradually became the norm. It’s infuriating.
Too many people just don’t give a fuck and that’s what frustrates me most. The only windows computer I have in this home is my work one. Because I need it for work. Any time I use the other ones it’s so clean, fast, ad free. Less bullshit.
My only real anxiety over what’s happening here is my nest speakers and smart tv. Both are connected to the internet but they’re vlan’d off.
There was a post yesterday about pine speakers, please let them be good…
Just so I am clear, everything I have read about the residential proxies in TVs (heavily leaning towards LG and Samsung) has been that they are baked into the shady apps the smart TV platforms allow you to install, not that LG or Samsung are directly running said proxies. This is obviously still very bad, but it isn’t LG or Samsung doing it as much as not preventing it in any way, which they obviously should be doing. This is just what I am aware of though, do you have any additional info/links that point to them doing it directly? I’d really like to know, as I have two LG TVs. I have one locked down to an internal subnet and just use Jellyfin, but the family still likes using Netflix on the other one and I’d like to know if the proxies are essentially unavoidable rather than being tied to those shitty “ad free” games.
These are the same SDKs uses in a lot of PC and mobile games too. This explains why bot/scraper traffic has exploded in the past couple of years. My small company’s site gets well over a million hits a day, about 4% of that traffic is valid. It’s total bullshit.
This is why I think remote Ethernet jacks should be a thing. Like the same as those HDMI input multiplexers, but just to connect and disconnect a device from a wired connection. Glue that shit to the bottom of the remote. Boom. Parents get to rot their brains in front of the screens just like how they warned you not to do decades ago, and they get to enjoy doing something to stay “safe from viruses”
I once came across a wiki on which people maintained a list of “safe” products. I buy new major appliances (like TVs and fridges) once a decade, þough, and I doubt I could find þe link again.
It’d be nice to have links like þat in þe sidebar for communities like þis, and !privacy. Reddit subs used to be pretty good about þat.
LG is starting to become indistinguishable from malware.
Their TV software includes residential proxies (your network becomes the proxy), and gets sold to AI scrapers and others. Imagine if that proxy gets used to download CSAM, used for hacking, or gets your household banned from Google?
Samsung phone software is cancer and auto installs whatever the fuck ads and games they want. They installed forced ads onto their fucking fridges.
Also worth noting Dell and Alienware do this too according to Wikipedia.
When the fuck did this become okay? We need to drive these companies out of business for this. They need to get sued for this. In what world is adding unremovable adware legal, how does that not violate the computer misuse and hacking laws?
Things started going downhill when Lenovo wasn’t fined into oblivion in the 2010s for putting malicious spyware on the laptops they sold their customers. And I mean actual literal spyware, as in “installs a root certificate and decrypts and reads all your ‘secure’ internet traffic, ostensibly so it can place random ads in it”. While also leaving gaping holes for attackers to use, of course, but letting a random program written by someone with ties to Israeli intelligence install backdoors throughout their customer base earned Lenova slightly more money so it’s all good!
And that wasn’t even the first or last time Lenovo have done something like that. They just… got a free pass, and this type of thing gradually became the norm. It’s infuriating.
It started before that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Does Lenovo do this on Linux OS’? Cause I only saw the Lenovo crapware on Windows 10/11 before I switched to Fedora.
Too many people just don’t give a fuck and that’s what frustrates me most. The only windows computer I have in this home is my work one. Because I need it for work. Any time I use the other ones it’s so clean, fast, ad free. Less bullshit.
My only real anxiety over what’s happening here is my nest speakers and smart tv. Both are connected to the internet but they’re vlan’d off.
There was a post yesterday about pine speakers, please let them be good…
/rant
Just so I am clear, everything I have read about the residential proxies in TVs (heavily leaning towards LG and Samsung) has been that they are baked into the shady apps the smart TV platforms allow you to install, not that LG or Samsung are directly running said proxies. This is obviously still very bad, but it isn’t LG or Samsung doing it as much as not preventing it in any way, which they obviously should be doing. This is just what I am aware of though, do you have any additional info/links that point to them doing it directly? I’d really like to know, as I have two LG TVs. I have one locked down to an internal subnet and just use Jellyfin, but the family still likes using Netflix on the other one and I’d like to know if the proxies are essentially unavoidable rather than being tied to those shitty “ad free” games.
If it comes built-in, or it’s installed through their app store, then they should be held responsible for whatever happens.
I don’t disagree at all, but it is still a distinction that should be made clear, especially for people that already own such devices.
Okay, that is way different than what I understood as the built in apps have them
Thanks for mentioning that
Sure no problem. I just found a link that talks about it if you were curious to read a bit more. https://spur.us/blog/smart-tv-apps-residential-proxy-sdks
These are the same SDKs uses in a lot of PC and mobile games too. This explains why bot/scraper traffic has exploded in the past couple of years. My small company’s site gets well over a million hits a day, about 4% of that traffic is valid. It’s total bullshit.
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page
This is why I think remote Ethernet jacks should be a thing. Like the same as those HDMI input multiplexers, but just to connect and disconnect a device from a wired connection. Glue that shit to the bottom of the remote. Boom. Parents get to rot their brains in front of the screens just like how they warned you not to do decades ago, and they get to enjoy doing something to stay “safe from viruses”
You can do this with some firewalls, switches, and access points. Opnsense has timed firewall capabilities.
I have one on a schedule here for my TV. I can also toggle it from my phone.
I thought that is what condoms were supposed to be for
I once came across a wiki on which people maintained a list of “safe” products. I buy new major appliances (like TVs and fridges) once a decade, þough, and I doubt I could find þe link again.
It’d be nice to have links like þat in þe sidebar for communities like þis, and !privacy. Reddit subs used to be pretty good about þat.
What is up with your “th”'s?
I’m guessing they want to bring the Thorn(?) in to common use?
Its usually mostly used as a phonetic symbol for the “th” sound.
For me, it’s a tongue out
:þ