• velma@sh.itjust.works
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    8 hours ago

    There’s quite a few posts here centered on men’s perspectives and I don’t see them being crucified in the comments.

    Like what are you even talking about? Media is usually centered on the male perspective. We quite literally live in a patriarchal society.

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      7 hours ago

      You’re usually the one doing the crucifying, so I’m not surprised you haven’t witnessed it as a spectator.

      Media is usually centered on the male perspective.

      That is an overly-broad generalization and not even remotely accurate. Maybe fifty years ago that would apply in most cases, but still not all.

      And unless you’ve literally never read media analysis in any academic journal, we both know that male-centered media is considered a faux pas at best these days.

      We quite literally live in a patriarchal society.

      Patriarchy harms men and women. You can’t just lump all men in as “the patriarchy,” that doesn’t even align with the perspectives in actual feminist literature.

      Patriarchy is specifically the structures of dominance and oppression which, while traditionally ascribed as a male role, women can also participate in. There is such thing as women participating in patriarchy and if you don’t believe that then you’ve never read actual feminist philosophy.

      By the way, reinforcing patriarchal standards of toxic masculinity (such as "men can’t/shouldn’t talk about their problems or their feelings) is participating in patriarchy. Way to go.

      Egalitarianism is about equality. If you think uplifting women means putting men down, then you’re not a feminist.

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        7 hours ago

        Where did I lump all men in as the patriarchy?

        Where have I said men can’t or shouldn’t talk about their feelings?

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          7 hours ago

          These are the kinds of subtle undertones that one learns to read as a man in society simply by the experiences and microaggressions that one’s received since boyhood. They’re not always overtly stated.

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            7 hours ago

            You can’t just lump all men in as “the patriarchy,” that doesn’t even align with the perspectives in actual feminist literature.

            Where did I lump all men in as “the patriarchy”? It’s not fair to lob an accusation and then say it’s in subtle undertones. Subtle undertones where? In what comment?

            By the way, reinforcing patriarchal standards of toxic masculinity (such as "men can’t/shouldn’t talk about their problems or their feelings) is participating in patriarchy. Way to go.

            Another specific accusation. Where did I say men can’t or shouldn’t talk about their problems or feelings? Which comments contain the microaggressions suggesting this?

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              7 hours ago

              It’s not fair to lob an accusation and then say it’s in subtle undertones.

              That’s a very interesting statement considering I used the same argument that women often use to talk about their experiences. Odd how it suddenly doesn’t apply when a man makes the same argument…

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                  You’re right, you’re not all women. So just because you haven’t used the argument doesn’t mean no woman has ever.

                  But guess what? Being a man and simply not making misogynistic arguments about women isn’t enough to protect one against criticisms aimed at “men” as an abstract whole.

                  Responding to those criticisms with “I’m not like that” or “I don’t do that / haven’t said that” gets hit with the “nOt AlL mEn!!1!” ridicule…

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                    7 hours ago

                    You’re having a discussion with me. I haven’t used that argument against you. You’re fighting strawmen.