Maybe I’m too young and missed an era, but what is this? I mean I understand it’s a peer to peer file sharing protocol and network (might be using wrong terms), but what does that actually mean as far as the end user? Basically a private tracker but one “layer” further up? Sort of bridging the gap from Usenet to BitTorrent? ELIF by all means! I’m curious about this.
Before torrent became viable and after Napster died, emule was the place where to download things.
You’d be really hiped up to watch a movie, you’d find it on emule and start downloading it. You would not shut down the computer for the following two weeks to allow the download to complete, you could indeed stop it and resume later however you were probably downloading at about 5 kb/s a 500 Mb file and would not want to wait months to have it.
You’d then place a dvd in your drive and burn the movie in there. You’d call all your family to finally watch the long awaited movie, place it in your dvd reader and start it.
That’s when you’d find out the movie was actually a porn video.
That’s how you learn to always check the content before burning it on a dvd.
And yes, a good 20% of movies were actually porn videos for some reason.
I don’t think is a private tracker per se, or at least most people don’t use it like that. As most servers (all I know) and the Kad network is public.
As a protocol is worse in everyway that BitTorrent.
But it has been used for so long that the amount of antique media is amazing. It’s my last resort for when I want to find something obscure that doesn’t exist anywhere else.
Also sharing is really simple, and the integrated search makes easy to find stuff, rather than navigate a ton of trackers or try to set up embedded search in a BitTorrent client and have it fail half the time.
It also lacks any essential security features, it’s just blind trust based in a filename unless you got the e2k link from a forum. So I wouldn’t download an executable from there.
As a protocol is worse in everyway that BitTorrent.
No it is not. Please don’t talk about shit you don’t know. If anything it was too ahead of the time since the internet speeds available at the time were crap (for example compare the emule’s 9MiB block with the original 512KiB from bittorrent), and also it was the first one to bring almost all the concepts that bittorrent uses.
People complain about the lowid, but at the same time they want to run it without opening ports to external connections like they do for bittorrent. Fortunately there’s already a emule mod (emuleai) that allows lowid to lowid. Hopefully amule will follow it soon.
I’m not comparing old e2k with old BitTorrent. I’m comparing “modern” e2k with modern bittorrent.
Its hashes use an outdated algorithm.
Torrent files are more complete and reliable that e2k links.
Speed is also way better on bittorrent nowadays, not only because the amount of peers, but because the protocol works just better coordinating multiple peers together.
Also BitTorrent is better at avoiding cluster on your router. E2k peers will hit your router for apparently unknown reasons all the time even if you are not sharing anything.
There’s reasons why people moved away from it.
For its time it was great, I agree. But bittorrent became the better p2p protocol over time.
It’s good enough for file transfer. Two different files having the same MD4 hash does not mean their blocks will also match block-for-block for AICH. Matching block by block is not a trivial task. This is not done by a guy in a bedroom. If an actor has this capacity, and it’s after you, then you should be concerned about other stuff than your downloads,
Torrent files are more complete and reliable that e2k links.
I have no idea what do you mean with more complete.
Speed is also way better on bittorrent nowadays
I can reach the same speeds with emule (if the file has enough seeds). And i can reach them faster on emule - but it is probably because i already have a lots of upload credits in emule vs using a public torrent with thousands of seeds.
Also BitTorrent is better at avoiding cluster on your router. E2k peers will hit your router for apparently unknown reasons all the time even if you are not sharing anything.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Never had issues.
There’s reasons why people moved away from it.
People moved away from it, when razorback2 server got shutdown and the admins got arrested. Not because of protocol issues. BitTorrent is also able to attract new users more easily because it is more forgiving to leechers (Long-term credits vs immediate reciprocity)
aMule is basically the successor to eMule, which is the successor to the freeware eDonkey2000, which by the name you can tell is quite old. Anyways, the main point of eD2K is that it relies on a server that anyone can host using a freeware app called eserver, to which clients connect.
So instead of torrents, which are shared between each peer without a centralizing server, eD2K needs thoose servers.
A significant difference to soulseek is that you always upload what you have downloaded to other clients, like bittorrent. You are also downloading parts of a file simultaneously from many different (or one) peer partner.
Oh right, totally forgot SoulSeek isn’t distributed like that. Very cool. Might have to check this out and do some treasure hunting. I love stumbling across old odd files on stuff like this.
So instead of torrents, which are shared between each peer without a centralizing server, eD2K needs thoose servers.
The servers just index the files people are sharing. Basically what you are saying is the same as saying that In the torrent world you also need to use a server (the tracker).
The same way you can search the mesh directly in bittorrent, you can use KAD in emule to search for files. No server required.
For the end user: it’s a program with everything included. You don’t need to visit any website to find files to download. You can search directly what other people are sharing and download from it.
Now the client evolved since it first appeared but has maintained compability.
Initially you need to connect to a server that would list the files people connected to that server were sharing, then they added a DHT and now you don’t need to use those servers. However people still use them mainly because the search is faster.
Please note that sharing is very easy. Just select a folder and you are sharing whatever is in that folder. This creates a lot content to share, but also the quality might not be good. For good quality it’s better to have the files curated and for that i recommend to use a community that shares ed2k links (they are like magnet links) for the good and quality stuff (similar to use piratebay vs a private tracker - on pirate bay you might not get the best of whatever you want)
Maybe I’m too young and missed an era, but what is this? I mean I understand it’s a peer to peer file sharing protocol and network (might be using wrong terms), but what does that actually mean as far as the end user? Basically a private tracker but one “layer” further up? Sort of bridging the gap from Usenet to BitTorrent? ELIF by all means! I’m curious about this.
I could be wrong, but I think eMule came before BitTorrent
Before torrent became viable and after Napster died, emule was the place where to download things.
You’d be really hiped up to watch a movie, you’d find it on emule and start downloading it. You would not shut down the computer for the following two weeks to allow the download to complete, you could indeed stop it and resume later however you were probably downloading at about 5 kb/s a 500 Mb file and would not want to wait months to have it.
You’d then place a dvd in your drive and burn the movie in there. You’d call all your family to finally watch the long awaited movie, place it in your dvd reader and start it.
That’s when you’d find out the movie was actually a porn video.
That’s how you learn to always check the content before burning it on a dvd.
And yes, a good 20% of movies were actually porn videos for some reason.
I don’t think is a private tracker per se, or at least most people don’t use it like that. As most servers (all I know) and the Kad network is public.
As a protocol is worse in everyway that BitTorrent.
But it has been used for so long that the amount of antique media is amazing. It’s my last resort for when I want to find something obscure that doesn’t exist anywhere else.
Also sharing is really simple, and the integrated search makes easy to find stuff, rather than navigate a ton of trackers or try to set up embedded search in a BitTorrent client and have it fail half the time.
It also lacks any essential security features, it’s just blind trust based in a filename unless you got the e2k link from a forum. So I wouldn’t download an executable from there.
No it is not. Please don’t talk about shit you don’t know. If anything it was too ahead of the time since the internet speeds available at the time were crap (for example compare the emule’s 9MiB block with the original 512KiB from bittorrent), and also it was the first one to bring almost all the concepts that bittorrent uses.
People complain about the lowid, but at the same time they want to run it without opening ports to external connections like they do for bittorrent. Fortunately there’s already a emule mod (emuleai) that allows lowid to lowid. Hopefully amule will follow it soon.
I’m not comparing old e2k with old BitTorrent. I’m comparing “modern” e2k with modern bittorrent.
Its hashes use an outdated algorithm.
Torrent files are more complete and reliable that e2k links.
Speed is also way better on bittorrent nowadays, not only because the amount of peers, but because the protocol works just better coordinating multiple peers together.
Also BitTorrent is better at avoiding cluster on your router. E2k peers will hit your router for apparently unknown reasons all the time even if you are not sharing anything.
There’s reasons why people moved away from it.
For its time it was great, I agree. But bittorrent became the better p2p protocol over time.
It’s good enough for file transfer. Two different files having the same MD4 hash does not mean their blocks will also match block-for-block for AICH. Matching block by block is not a trivial task. This is not done by a guy in a bedroom. If an actor has this capacity, and it’s after you, then you should be concerned about other stuff than your downloads,
I have no idea what do you mean with more complete.
I can reach the same speeds with emule (if the file has enough seeds). And i can reach them faster on emule - but it is probably because i already have a lots of upload credits in emule vs using a public torrent with thousands of seeds.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Never had issues.
People moved away from it, when razorback2 server got shutdown and the admins got arrested. Not because of protocol issues. BitTorrent is also able to attract new users more easily because it is more forgiving to leechers (Long-term credits vs immediate reciprocity)
Yeah seems super interesting. Thanks for the info!
aMule is basically the successor to eMule, which is the successor to the freeware eDonkey2000, which by the name you can tell is quite old. Anyways, the main point of eD2K is that it relies on a server that anyone can host using a freeware app called eserver, to which clients connect.
So instead of torrents, which are shared between each peer without a centralizing server, eD2K needs thoose servers.
Ohhh more like SoulSeek. Okay okay. Very cool. Thanks for the info!
A significant difference to soulseek is that you always upload what you have downloaded to other clients, like bittorrent. You are also downloading parts of a file simultaneously from many different (or one) peer partner.
Oh right, totally forgot SoulSeek isn’t distributed like that. Very cool. Might have to check this out and do some treasure hunting. I love stumbling across old odd files on stuff like this.
Overnet FTW
The servers just index the files people are sharing. Basically what you are saying is the same as saying that In the torrent world you also need to use a server (the tracker).
The same way you can search the mesh directly in bittorrent, you can use KAD in emule to search for files. No server required.
For the end user: it’s a program with everything included. You don’t need to visit any website to find files to download. You can search directly what other people are sharing and download from it.
Now the client evolved since it first appeared but has maintained compability.
Initially you need to connect to a server that would list the files people connected to that server were sharing, then they added a DHT and now you don’t need to use those servers. However people still use them mainly because the search is faster.
Please note that sharing is very easy. Just select a folder and you are sharing whatever is in that folder. This creates a lot content to share, but also the quality might not be good. For good quality it’s better to have the files curated and for that i recommend to use a community that shares ed2k links (they are like magnet links) for the good and quality stuff (similar to use piratebay vs a private tracker - on pirate bay you might not get the best of whatever you want)