Is this really where we’re at? I’ve seen like five like this on here just today. Where are these wildly extreme views coming from? I need actual sources that are not simply other memes.
But these articles indicate that neo-nazis are involved. I read that as they are present, but they are not representative. This is like saying that all of USA are pedophiles because of their orange-faced, democratically-elected, and still-in-power leader…
There were Jewish Nazi collaborators you fucking idiot they’re not mutually exclusive. Also nice job showing everyone you lack the capability to respond you fucking child. Answer the question how many times do they have to come out and give honors to Nazis and Nazi collaborators before it’s representative?
Your question is invalid. You want a clear, partisan response that reinforces a myopic world view. I talk to you like an insolent child because you act like one. The reality of the situation in Ukraine is far more complex than a few journalists, buzz-terms, or a few memes can encapsulate. You don’t actually want discussion or debate. You want to believe you spotted something that few others have. I think you’re missing about 99% of the detail required to help you form a question that I actually would be interested in engaging.
Thank you for the word salad you massively arrogant idiot. The answer for most people is 1. If Amerika, Germany, France etc decided to name a military division after a Nazi division or rebury Nazis/Nazi collaborators with state honours every reasonable person would be able to point and say this is a problem that needs fixing. The fact that you have a hatred of Russia is not allowing you to see it in this case. I’m not asking you to be pro Russia simply to realise that modern Ukraine has an issue (which it very clearly and well documented does).
You want to believe you spotted something that few others have.
No it’s really well documented hence all the links you idiot.
Also “oh it’s so complex they really had to do all these pro nazi things” is cope for idiots. Grow up you petulant child.
I actually would be interested in engaging.
All you’re clearly interested in doing is prostrating before Nazis in Ukraine for being anti Russia.
It’s very odd. I’m trying to work out if its pro-Russian activists hijacking a largely unregulated and slightly obscure social networking platform or if it’s just extremist lefties who’ve gone so far to left they’ve gone around the back and reappeared on the far right! Either way the absence of (or presence of shit) moderators is noticeable here…
Marxist-Leninists typically critically support the Russian Federation for it’s progressive role in opposing imperialism, presently spearheaded by the United States and secondarily from the broader west, such as the UK, France, Germany, and the various settler-colonies and imperialist coalition groups. Lemmy.ml has always had MLs.
This all sounds lovely, but I’m struggling to see Russia’s role in opposing imperialism following their repeated incursions into Ukrainian territory and the more recent full-blown military invasion and the subsequent war. I understand imperialism can be summarised by one nation ruling or attempting to rule over another. How do Russia’s actions with Ukraine represent a “progressive” role in opposing it?
Ukraine got couped by the US in 2014, the current government is a puppet installed specifically as a staging point for US procy warfare against Russia, they’re completely justified in responding to a direct threat right on their border.
For that you’d need to recognize the people in donbas as humans.
As long as you don’t, you won’t understand.
When iran fights against genocide in palestine, when russia fights against genocide in donbas, the most important parallel between those two is that the burgerlanders’ lackeys are the genociders.
I’m genuinely asking for information here. You talk as though my lack of understanding is some kind of position I choose to maintain. There are very few cases in which I would choose to dehumanise anyone. Except for perhaps the most extreme incidents of violent crime.
I’m someone who wants to learn what you know. Tell me.
Is this really where we’re at? I’ve seen like five like this on here just today. Where are these wildly extreme views coming from? I need actual sources that are not simply other memes.
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11818868/8283203
But these articles indicate that neo-nazis are involved. I read that as they are present, but they are not representative. This is like saying that all of USA are pedophiles because of their orange-faced, democratically-elected, and still-in-power leader…
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/zelensky-names-commando-unit-after-wwii-nazi-collaborators/
https://article.wn.com/view/2026/05/26/Ukraine_reburies_Nazi_collaborator_with_state_honors_drawing_q/
How many times do they have to all but come out and say we support Nazis before it becomes representative?
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There were Jewish Nazi collaborators you fucking idiot they’re not mutually exclusive. Also nice job showing everyone you lack the capability to respond you fucking child. Answer the question how many times do they have to come out and give honors to Nazis and Nazi collaborators before it’s representative?
Average pro banderite government turbolib:
Your question is invalid. You want a clear, partisan response that reinforces a myopic world view. I talk to you like an insolent child because you act like one. The reality of the situation in Ukraine is far more complex than a few journalists, buzz-terms, or a few memes can encapsulate. You don’t actually want discussion or debate. You want to believe you spotted something that few others have. I think you’re missing about 99% of the detail required to help you form a question that I actually would be interested in engaging.
Thank you for the word salad you massively arrogant idiot. The answer for most people is 1. If Amerika, Germany, France etc decided to name a military division after a Nazi division or rebury Nazis/Nazi collaborators with state honours every reasonable person would be able to point and say this is a problem that needs fixing. The fact that you have a hatred of Russia is not allowing you to see it in this case. I’m not asking you to be pro Russia simply to realise that modern Ukraine has an issue (which it very clearly and well documented does).
No it’s really well documented hence all the links you idiot.
Also “oh it’s so complex they really had to do all these pro nazi things” is cope for idiots. Grow up you petulant child.
All you’re clearly interested in doing is prostrating before Nazis in Ukraine for being anti Russia.
So you’re calling me a Nazi? This is proof of Godwin’s law. Let me try and dumb-down my position a bit for you…
Does the Ukraine itself have a chequered past with allegiences going east and west over time? Yes.
Is it clear that Ukraine have recruited the help of some highly questionable groups? Yes.
Does that make them representative of those groups? No.
Are they doing this because they’re in an extremely challenging position with limited options? Yes.
Would I do the same if I was in a similar position? Perhaps…?
Does this short list come close to fully summarizing the situation in Ukraine? Not at all.
Yah I think these are some weird propaganda attempt.
It’s very odd. I’m trying to work out if its pro-Russian activists hijacking a largely unregulated and slightly obscure social networking platform or if it’s just extremist lefties who’ve gone so far to left they’ve gone around the back and reappeared on the far right! Either way the absence of (or presence of shit) moderators is noticeable here…
Marxist-Leninists typically critically support the Russian Federation for it’s progressive role in opposing imperialism, presently spearheaded by the United States and secondarily from the broader west, such as the UK, France, Germany, and the various settler-colonies and imperialist coalition groups. Lemmy.ml has always had MLs.
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This all sounds lovely, but I’m struggling to see Russia’s role in opposing imperialism following their repeated incursions into Ukrainian territory and the more recent full-blown military invasion and the subsequent war. I understand imperialism can be summarised by one nation ruling or attempting to rule over another. How do Russia’s actions with Ukraine represent a “progressive” role in opposing it?
Ukraine got couped by the US in 2014, the current government is a puppet installed specifically as a staging point for US procy warfare against Russia, they’re completely justified in responding to a direct threat right on their border.
For that you’d need to recognize the people in donbas as humans.
As long as you don’t, you won’t understand.
When iran fights against genocide in palestine, when russia fights against genocide in donbas, the most important parallel between those two is that the burgerlanders’ lackeys are the genociders.
I’m genuinely asking for information here. You talk as though my lack of understanding is some kind of position I choose to maintain. There are very few cases in which I would choose to dehumanise anyone. Except for perhaps the most extreme incidents of violent crime.
I’m someone who wants to learn what you know. Tell me.
Downvoted for asking an open question. I’m sensing extremism is lurking… XD