• vane@lemmy.world
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    Nationalization doesn’t change the fact that for example OpenAI plans to burn $100B in 2026 without any profit so taxpayers will inherit $50B debt just from 2026. Moreover it doesn’t stop those companies for raising more debt from for example corporate bonds emission just by saying 50% of their capital is government owned. That would allow them to literally raise trillions.
    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2025/12/30/openais-cash-burn-will-be-one-of-the-big-bubble-questions-of-2026
    https://archive.ph/8Ej9z

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      If OpenAI fails, and the government owns half of it…

      The assets and power the government acquired for no monetary cost simply becomes zero.

      The other part of simply seizing half the shares is that the government (presumably a number of ministers/officials in charge of the new sovereign wealth fund) now has half the voting power of the entire board.

      That is a pretty direct way to wield influence as to the decisions the company can make, how the CEO can behave.

      You want maybe the accounting to actually deprecate the GPUs they have or lease over a realistic timeframe, instead of a totally bullshit one?

      Half of your shareholders now demand this.

      C Suite refuse to comply?

      Begin the process of firing them.

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        OpenAI don’t own any GPU, they lease it from Microsoft or from Oracle. Oracle bought GPU by emitting billions of dollars of corporate bonds. OpenAI only owns AI models that they copy to datacenters. Same is with Anthropics. They own no datacenter or GPU they just lease it from other parties.

        Bernie Sanders is putting taxpayers responsible for overspending on datacenters and make datacenters bailout. He should propose that all models should be open to public if they are used by government organizations so it can be independently audited by researchers. That would prevent those companies to cause harm to people.

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          xAI is now (or will very soon be) part of SpaceX.

          They physically own massive ‘Colossus’ datacenters with tons of GPUs.

          As to leasing vs owning, I already addressed that.

          If you are the government and you are half of the shareholders, you can pressure your own AI company, or the companies from whom your AI company leases GPUs from to be more honest and transparent regarding accounting methodologies.

          Bernie is not proposing that any taxpayer money be put toward this at all.

          The only actual expense here would be the minute cost of simply hiring some people to run and manage the sovereign wealth fund. Miniscule in comparison to the potential equity value of $$$s being managed. Think something like the administrative cost of running say, the SEC or FTC, in comparison to the amount of money moving around that they can affect.

          He is proposing the government simply half nationalize these companies, as Trump not long ago did with TikTok.

          If the government is half of every US based AI company’s board, they can also very effectively pressure them to make the models open source.

          Not sure if you don’t understand the concept of nationalization, but basically, thats when the government looks at something and says ‘i own this now, because I say so’.

          Theres no payment. Its… why I use the word ‘seize’.

          Same way Marx argued that workers should ‘seize’ the means of production: Just take them.