I can’t make it make sense to myself but it’s pretty fucking hard to ignore the instances of literal nazism in ukranian and other figures who opposed russia in WW2 and the continued support they receive.
I’m not going to pretend to know anything about the current war and I also don’t care so you can skip trying to explain it to me 🤷♀️
I mean, a few idiots on one side doesn’t automatically make the other side right…
Edit: apparently it is the government who is doing that bad things. I was uninformed. Please stop calling me a Nazi sympathiser for not knowing about the bad things that the Ukrainian government did
The high command of the army and many, many government officials isn’t exactly “a few idiots”
I was uninformed when making that comment
That’s fair
For all the other folks reading this, allow me to translate:
I am incapable of or unwilling to identify systemic issues when those issues are inconvenient to my narrative
Besides, making generalisations about an entire country of people or having the mindset of “anyone who disagrees with me on anything is evil” just sews devision…
The people are not the bad guys (generally) it’s typically the politicians (who we all know most of them are liars)
I will go out on a limb and say that anyone who holds a Nazi flag is a bad guy, as is anyone who defends them. Nazis are ontologically evil, there is nobody with Nazi iconography that is a “good guy”. You included, making excuses for Nazis makes you one of them
I wasn’t making excuses for Nazis, even seeing that foul flag infuriates me…
I had been saying that these people in the image paint innocent Ukrainians in a bad light, because obviously not all Ukrainians are Nazis
Russia is the aggressor… they literally invaded Ukraine?
After Ukraine did an ethnic cleansing of Russians in their borders. Guess you think that’s a good thing too, since you’ve already been established clearly as a Nazi sympathizer, it makes sense that you would also be a genocide denier
I was uninformed about the Ukrainian gov’t killing Russians in Ukraine’s borders.
I am NOT a Nazi sympathiser. I find it awful how everyone takes anything someone says to extremes… classic: “I like waffles” “oh, so you hate pancakes” thing…
Generalising people like this isn’t helpful, and just causes arguments and accusations. Especially when someone is uninformed and then gets yelled at.
Is it ethical to stand by and do nothing while your neighboring sister country is murdering their own citizens for speaking a slightly different dialect than the their national language
I never heard about that… is it just one of those things that the news just doesn’t cover for whatever reason?
American and western European news? Yes. Everyone else? No.
When was it happening, and who was reporting on it?
I would prefer to do my own research to make sure that I am getting accurate information (at least with as little bias as possible, because I know both the left and right like to twist everything to benefit their own agendas…)
CNN had a decent report last decade about it that I’m surprised you can still find: https://youtu.be/1fsMqYqHnN0
It isn’t “a few,” that’s part of the problem. The entire reason the war is even happening is because the west helped install a Banderite regime after the 2014 coup, which caused Donetsk and Luhansk to secede, sparking a civil war where Kiev began ethnic cleansing against the Donbass region that voted for the former president.
The Minsk agreements could have avoided the war, but both were tanked by Ukraine and the west. Nazis were emboldened by the new Banderite regime. That’s also why Ukraine and Israel are such close allies.
Russia’s invasion has no good reason… Putin just wants to remake the USSR which won’t be good for anyone…
Putin is a capitalist. He is literally your guy. You got what you wanted in the 90s, millions died, and this is the result.
Putin is literally America’s favourite Russian President of all time. And no, that isn’t a statement about Trump, because the statement is true for the entirety of the american political class and yankoid empire as a whole. He’s your guy.
remake the USSR which won’t be good for anyone…
The illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union was the greatest disaster of the 20th century. Anything that would actually bring back a scientific socialist state who’s very existence held heel the most wretched capitalist demons that exist would be objectively for the betterment of humanity.
That said you’re full of shit and should hit the books in you think putin’s a communist or wants to bring back the state of governance that would execute him for bourgeois decadence
The only people who benefit from the people not being entitled to the money they earn is the people in power (the government)
If people are working and their money isn’t theirs it is theft
you are literally describing capitalism
You are describing capitalism. Capitalists plunder the surplus value created by the working classes. Production is already socialized and collaborative, but the spoils go to a tiny handful of people.
You make the boss $100, you wage is $7.25, your boss is earning $92.75 that he uses to recoup the costs of production then can pocket the rest.
Your boss then takes that money and pays off the capitalist state to make laws to take more of your money to further subsidize his cost of business while rigging the laws in his favor to make sure competition doesn’t spring up to threaten his bottom line. Your taxes, which should be used for the common welfare of all, is being laundered and sent to further enrich the capitalist class.
If you think taxes are theft, then working for a wage is slavery
I’m talking about communism, not mere taxes…
Communism makes it so the guy who is capable of working but sits on his couch all day has the same money as the guy working his butt off…
I have no problem with when people who can’t work are helped, the problem is when people who aren’t trying to work get to mooch off of the workers…
Also, most people aren’t working for $7.25… they go where the money is better… unfortunately big corporations have their fingers in the government (on both sides)
Genuinely, how did you come to be so confident talking about a subject you clearly don’t know the first thing about? Like, where did you get these ideas from?
I’m sorry, are you a boomer? Did you learn what communism is on fox news? Do you honestly to God think the Soviet Union went from a backwater semi-feudal empire that was suffering from famines every 10 or so years to a nation that beat America in the space race several times over within a generation by only having one guy do all the work while everyone else laid around?
Honest to God, do yourself a favor and at least read Chapter 1 of Lenin’s State and Revolution. If you do that you’ll at least be more learned on some of the 101 level stuff of what communists believe than a lot of the left-liberals that larp as socialists.
We are talking about communism, it sounds like you’re talking about welfare and getting upset at those on welfare and not the capitalists that plunder all of the social surplus. Of course capitalists control the state, the state serves the ruling class.
I don’t think any socialist society has ever abolished money so far, though it’s an admirable future goal. The USSR certainly didn’t abolish money, they had Rubles.
Also, why is abolishing money a good idea?
With money it’s way easier to know market value of a good or service…
Otherwise you’re stuck with chickens per toaster or something equally as ridiculous…
Didn’t I say “admirable future goal” rather than “good idea right now”? Eventually, society ought to progress to the point where money is no longer needed, through both development of productive forces and development of societal attitudes. This is the goal of communism. The concept of money is only a few thousand years old, and humanity existed for hundreds of thousands of years longer than it, so it’s by no means impossible.
Did you ever watch the Star Trek shows? The Federation in Star Trek doesn’t have money. Both because they have replicators and can instantly reproduce any item using only energy, but also because they’re a more advanced society that has moved beyond needing a medium of exchange
Money in general becomes superfluous if all production and distribution is collectivized and run along a scientific plan. If you develop beyond markets, why do you need money?
I was referring to how the people work and the government takes their money and “distributes” it, but most of it actually just goes into the government’s pockets…
please reconcile this thought with police budgets, and then ask yourself what the police actually do and who they really protect
And who is “the government”? Elected officials? Bureaucrats? Do you think the low-level grunts at the tax agency are living high on the hog? Or do elected officials take your money and hand it to their buddies in the form of lucrative government contracts? And who is elected? Capitalists consort with each other and choose who among them is to represent you. You’re conflating the bureaucratic apparatus of the state with the class that controls it (capitalists) and in doing so losing sight of the actual material reality at play.
“I was referring to a thing that I imagined which has no relation to real life”
That’s not how it works, the people work and capitalists make all of the money, and use the state to prevent people from getting uppity.
I would like it if you were to expound on this in detail
If only Putin was actually a communist. If Putin actually was trying to remake the USSR, then the world would be in a much better position.
The USSR had steady and consistent economic growth, and provided free, high quality education and healthcare, full employment, cheap or free housing, and fantastic infrastructure and city planning that still lasts to this day despite capitalism neglecting it. This rapid development resulted in dramatic democratization of society, reduced disparity, doubling of life expectancy, tripling of functional literacy rates to 99.9%, and much more. Living in the 1930s famine would not have been good, but it was the last major famine outside of wartime because the soviets ended famine in their countries.
Literacy rates, societal guarantees in the 1936 constitution, reports on the healthcare system over time, and more are good sources for these claims.
The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.
When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski’s Human Rights in the Soviet Union.
The truth, when judged based on historical evidence and contextualization, is that socialism was the best thing to happen to Russia in the last few centuries, and its absence has been devastating.
Death rates spiked:
And wealth disparity skyrocketed alongside the newly impoverished majority:
Capitalism brought with it skyrocketing poverty rates, drug abuse, prostitution, homelessness, crime rates, and lowered life expectancy. An estimated 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism and reintroduction of capitalism, and this is why the large majority of post-soviet citizens regret its fall. A return to socialism is the only path forward for the post-soviet countries. A lot of Eastern European countries were swarmed with western capital during the destruction of socialism, which is what temporarily caused the rise of the far-right in these countries, but in time their problems will no longer be able to be ignored.
What about all the famines that the USSR had and resulted in their people starving?
Also communism hasn’t ever worked for groups larger than a few hundred people, because of greed
It’s crazy how arrogant in their ignorance westerners are
Did you read my comment? I said the Soviets ended famine in a region where famine was historically common. Further, socialism worked in the USSR, and continues to work in Cuba, Vietnam, Korea, China, Laos, and Venezuela. Greed did not ruin any of these, greed is expressed in greater degrees in capitalist countries where profit is the goal above all else.
You’re serious 😬
