Also pretty crazy to watch a bunch of anti-imperialists laud imperialism just because it happens to be against their perceived enemies, The West. Lies in favor of Putin and against Ukraine are fucking rampant in this community, and you would think they’d be opposed to a war of conquest, but so long as The West is hurt, they’ll justify literally anything.
Tho, the West which sides with Genocide and Nazis, while also being engaged in neo-colonialism, will obviously be getting more concern.
And considering NATO surrounding Russia and helping Ukraine kill civilian in areas like Donbass with Russian speaking people, restricting Russian language n all, some people do think that Russia was baited into acting.
Russia in Ukraine is a great example. The amount if very easily disproven Russian propaganda I see spread in here is insane, and it gets eaten up because it gives people a chance to rail against The West. And I’m not saying the railing is undeserved. I’m just saying that people lap up very obvious bullshit to get an opportunity to participate.
some people do think that Russia was baited into acting.
If you think Russia acted out of anything other than selfish interest, I have a bridge to sell you.
Which is the obvious ‘Russian propaganda’ shared here that you mention? Do list some.
Zelenskyy canceled elections. He didn’t, they’re constitutionally forbidden under martial law, and he’s bound to the constitution. If you want Ukrainians to have elections again, get Putin to fuck off. They either had to enact martial law and lose elections temporarily or be conquered and lose Ukrainian elections permanently.
Zelenskyy banned the opposition parties. He didn’t, that was a national defense council. Specifically, parties with active ties to Russia, the country actively invading them, were temporarily suspended only while under martial law, so they’ll be back once treasonous aid to the invader is off the table.
Russia invaded because they were being attacked by people coming over the border from Ukraine. This was a wild claim because I can’t even find evidence that Russia claimed this, and when asked, they provided a bunch of articles about the 2014 “coup” that didn’t mention the alleged attacks.
The vote to join Russia from… I think Crimea happened before the invasion. Might be mixing up events here, but I don’t have time to dig more up right now. But it didn’t. It didn’t happen until Russia had already seized the region, which is relevant because we cannot trust Russia to run fair elections, especially for a vote like that.
This is just what I found by glancing through my recent comment history to find recent claims made in Lemmy.ml posts. These are ones I actually had to verify myself, and all of them were trivially easy to prove are incorrect. All of these claims are extremely easily verifiable lies in favor of Russian goals. I’m not saying the people I heard it from are intentionally spreading propaganda. At least some portion are undoubtedly just people who have fallen for sweet sounding lies about perceived enemies they already hate, basically falling for confirmation bias.
Zelenskyy banned the opposition parties. He didn’t, that was a national defense council.
That is under Zelensky, right?
If so, then claims against Putin and Maduro also are wrong, as they also have council-equivalents, ministries of defense, agencies etc.
Regarding other claims, I did not see them here.
My understanding was that NATO expanded which baited Russia.
And there was growing Ukrainian supremacism with Russian speaking regions like Donbass being affected. Have read that their 2019 language law had exceptions for English and European Union’s official languages, while Russian, Belarusian and Yiddish languages did not have any. So, Russian speaking regions of Ukraine having issue is understandable there.
The Nazi symbols on some Ukrainian soldiers too.
My understanding is that Western imperialist powers wants to isolate Russia, setup NATO bases around them and squeeze them, fan anti-Russian sentiments etc.
And surprisingly Russia took the bait when NATO wa setting closer to Ukraine.
“Imperialism is when a country invades another country under any circumstance”
I fucking hate how you libs sling out terminology you do not understand. Imperialism isn’t just a word used to describe when “bad country does military stuff”. It’s an academic term, it’s a part of capitalist exploitation, it’s an actual process, not just some word every dumbass can shit out to describe what they don’t like. Imperialism is when I fuck your mom.
Oh, I disagree with you, obviously I just don’t understand what words mean!
Imperialism is the maintaining and extending of power over foreign nations, particularly through expansionism, employing both hard power (military and economic power) and soft power (diplomatic power and cultural imperialism). Imperialism focuses on establishing or maintaining hegemony and a more formal empire.[
From Wikipedia.
Yeah, that’s what I’m accusing Russia of. They have no altruistic intentions in Ukraine. Anyone who thinks Russia is there for any other reason is a sucker.
Lmao this mf out here citing Wikipedia! What’s next, gonna quote freedom burger institute?
My guy even you dipshitted quote implies what imperialism actually entails.
obviously I just don’t understand what words mean!
What the fuck’s it matter? I googled a definition on the off chance that may, just maybe, I’d mixed it up, checked a couple of the results, and copied over one of them.
Nope, turns out I knew what the word means. Russia’s war on Ukraine is imperialist in nature. They are not in Ukraine for any reason other than their own selfish interests. They want to conquer and annex Ukraine for the express purpose of expansion and economic benefit. Stuff like the warm water ports that Russian trolls have been caught red handed going on about on other social media.
Oh, please, if you think Russia isn’t interested in conquering and expanding, I’d say I have a bridge to sell you, but you probably already got cleaned out.
Also pretty crazy to watch a bunch of anti-imperialists laud imperialism just because it happens to be against their perceived enemies, The West. Lies in favor of Putin and against Ukraine are fucking rampant in this community, and you would think they’d be opposed to a war of conquest, but so long as The West is hurt, they’ll justify literally anything.
Where is imperialism lauded?
Tho, the West which sides with Genocide and Nazis, while also being engaged in neo-colonialism, will obviously be getting more concern.
And considering NATO surrounding Russia and helping Ukraine kill civilian in areas like Donbass with Russian speaking people, restricting Russian language n all, some people do think that Russia was baited into acting.
Russia in Ukraine is a great example. The amount if very easily disproven Russian propaganda I see spread in here is insane, and it gets eaten up because it gives people a chance to rail against The West. And I’m not saying the railing is undeserved. I’m just saying that people lap up very obvious bullshit to get an opportunity to participate.
If you think Russia acted out of anything other than selfish interest, I have a bridge to sell you.
Which is the obvious ‘Russian propaganda’ shared here that you mention? Do list some.
I have no intent to buy one. If you ordered a bridge, you can keep it.
No one is saying that it is altruism in case of war.
But that Western imperialism’s arm… NATO’s escalation and posturing has contributed a lot to the issue.
I said it seems that Russia was baited by West’s encirclement
Zelenskyy canceled elections. He didn’t, they’re constitutionally forbidden under martial law, and he’s bound to the constitution. If you want Ukrainians to have elections again, get Putin to fuck off. They either had to enact martial law and lose elections temporarily or be conquered and lose Ukrainian elections permanently.
Zelenskyy banned the opposition parties. He didn’t, that was a national defense council. Specifically, parties with active ties to Russia, the country actively invading them, were temporarily suspended only while under martial law, so they’ll be back once treasonous aid to the invader is off the table.
Russia invaded because they were being attacked by people coming over the border from Ukraine. This was a wild claim because I can’t even find evidence that Russia claimed this, and when asked, they provided a bunch of articles about the 2014 “coup” that didn’t mention the alleged attacks.
The vote to join Russia from… I think Crimea happened before the invasion. Might be mixing up events here, but I don’t have time to dig more up right now. But it didn’t. It didn’t happen until Russia had already seized the region, which is relevant because we cannot trust Russia to run fair elections, especially for a vote like that.
This is just what I found by glancing through my recent comment history to find recent claims made in Lemmy.ml posts. These are ones I actually had to verify myself, and all of them were trivially easy to prove are incorrect. All of these claims are extremely easily verifiable lies in favor of Russian goals. I’m not saying the people I heard it from are intentionally spreading propaganda. At least some portion are undoubtedly just people who have fallen for sweet sounding lies about perceived enemies they already hate, basically falling for confirmation bias.
Maduro also did not cancel elections, right?
That is under Zelensky, right?
If so, then claims against Putin and Maduro also are wrong, as they also have council-equivalents, ministries of defense, agencies etc.
Regarding other claims, I did not see them here.
My understanding was that NATO expanded which baited Russia.
And there was growing Ukrainian supremacism with Russian speaking regions like Donbass being affected. Have read that their 2019 language law had exceptions for English and European Union’s official languages, while Russian, Belarusian and Yiddish languages did not have any. So, Russian speaking regions of Ukraine having issue is understandable there.
The Nazi symbols on some Ukrainian soldiers too.
My understanding is that Western imperialist powers wants to isolate Russia, setup NATO bases around them and squeeze them, fan anti-Russian sentiments etc.
And surprisingly Russia took the bait when NATO wa setting closer to Ukraine.
“Imperialism is when a country invades another country under any circumstance”
I fucking hate how you libs sling out terminology you do not understand. Imperialism isn’t just a word used to describe when “bad country does military stuff”. It’s an academic term, it’s a part of capitalist exploitation, it’s an actual process, not just some word every dumbass can shit out to describe what they don’t like. Imperialism is when I fuck your mom.
Oh, I disagree with you, obviously I just don’t understand what words mean!
From Wikipedia.
Yeah, that’s what I’m accusing Russia of. They have no altruistic intentions in Ukraine. Anyone who thinks Russia is there for any other reason is a sucker.
Lmao this mf out here citing Wikipedia! What’s next, gonna quote freedom burger institute?
My guy even you dipshitted quote implies what imperialism actually entails.
Admitting it is the first step
What the fuck’s it matter? I googled a definition on the off chance that may, just maybe, I’d mixed it up, checked a couple of the results, and copied over one of them.
Nope, turns out I knew what the word means. Russia’s war on Ukraine is imperialist in nature. They are not in Ukraine for any reason other than their own selfish interests. They want to conquer and annex Ukraine for the express purpose of expansion and economic benefit. Stuff like the warm water ports that Russian trolls have been caught red handed going on about on other social media.
The imperialists’ favorite scammery: Redefining imperialism.
Oh, please, if you think Russia isn’t interested in conquering and expanding, I’d say I have a bridge to sell you, but you probably already got cleaned out.