• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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    18 hours ago

    If that’s how they learn not to share intimate and personal data with the billionaires, then that’s how they learn.

    Let’s not engage in blaming the victims.

    There’s no reason to treat the behavior of these corporations as if it were normal and inevitable, like they were a force of nature or something. Put all the blame where it belongs, on the people running these companies.

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      11 hours ago

      Yeah, nope! That would have been a good and fair argument 10 or 15 years ago. But today, these ‘victims’ are volunteers. The information is out there, multiple times per day. In my country we say something that roughly translates to English as ‘if the river sounds, water is running’.

      The noise is there, has been for over a decade. If they choose to remain ignorant and not even try to find out what all the noise is about, that’s on them. And if they do go after the noise to not be caught unaware, and still keep giving out everything to big tech, even worse.

      Having said that, it’s not ‘victim blaming’ when the ‘victim’ is guilty.

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      16 hours ago

      I’m sorry, but what?

      If I give you my page and tell you to enter your credit card details in, why would you do it?

      Why do people need to tell everything to the agreeing website?

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        15 hours ago

        If I give you my page and tell you to enter your credit card details in, why would you do it?

        Because I’m paying for something?

        Why do people need to tell everything to the agreeing website?

        I don’t know, it’s probably circumstantial.

        Probably a lot of the data being shared is from chats, but not necessarily all of it. We know that OpenAI scrapes the Internet at large for training data, which would include data sets of publicly leaked PII (such as the OPM breach). It’s entirely possible that the data OpenAI is sharing about users was not given to them voluntarily by those users, but has simply been aggregated, analyzed and correlated by their AI tools.

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          15 hours ago

          If it’s public, it’s a given that Facebook and Google has all of that on you already.

          It’s almost a decade since Zucc said in front of congress that they do shadow profiles, LLMs are not going to change that.

          What I do worry about is all personal stuff people overshare to the LLMs. From health, mental to financial and other secrets.