The country of stubborn boomers that want to have their cake and eat it

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    The solution to “falling behind China” is to close off our economy from the Chinese economy, isolate the Chinese economy from its neighbors, stir up violent opposition to Chinese government and policies both on its borders and within its interior, and accuse anyone doing business with China of abetting genocide and organ theft and Far-Left Communist ideologies.

    If a country continues to do business with China, we will associate it with the crimes of the Chinese government in the same manner. Russia, Brazil, Iran, Indonesia, big chunks of the EU, I guess now Canada - all increasingly on the US shit-list for reasons tangential to the amount of business they’re doing with China.

    Eventually, we will need to go to war with China (or, at least, launch a series of proxy wars all along the Chinese border that can bleed the country into bankruptcy). But for the time being, we will content ourselves to vilifying its leadership, sanctioning its trade, and picking fights with its regional allies.

    And this will work, because it’s never not worked before now.

    Trust The Plan.

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      19 hours ago

      What are you on about? China is Germany’s biggest trade partner and most people here like what they produce. And that’s fair enough since they do a good job. But let’s be real there’s nothing wrong with for example having tariffs on products that the manufacturing powerhouse china deliberately sell at a loss to gain monopolies. It’s in their 5 year plan and kudos for them for having such outlook, Germany certainly lacks planning that far ahead (or any planning tbh, we have a conservative government atm cries).

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        18 hours ago

        there’s nothing wrong with for example having tariffs on products that the manufacturing powerhouse china deliberately sell at a loss to gain monopolies

        Chinese firms don’t sell at a loss. Western firms operate with oversized profit margins. The labor and materials that go into a Chinese EV or a solar panel or a plastic widget or steel girders are all globally commoditized. What separates Chinese exports from EU domestic products are rents. Enormous, economy-crippling rents.

        And that’s what these tariffs seek to protect.

        Germany certainly lacks planning that far ahead

        Germany has plenty of economic planning. It’s just happening in the Zurich banking industry, not the Berlin parliament. The goal of German policy is to maximize profit per unit of labor, rather than value per unit of materials.

        That Germans are revolting at the domestic plan stems from these strangling profit margins.

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          17 hours ago

          The EU disagrees with you after a thorough investigation. China has been giving its EV manufacturers massive state subsidies for a long time now, this is not news to most of us, just you for some reason…

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            16 hours ago

            The EU disagrees with you after a thorough investigation.

            Police investigating themselves inevitably find the people they are policing were in the wrong.

            China has been giving its EV manufacturers massive state subsidies for a long time now

            Chinese manufacturers benefit from the state investment in infrastructure and the at-cost production of utilities through SOEs. They produce professionals out of universities funded with state tax dollars who do not carry enormous personal debts. They have a large high speed transportation network that reduces delivery delays and mobilizes much of the idle workforce.

            In any other country, we’d acknowledge this as capital investments in the economy at-large. In China, we pretend that this is some kind of unfair business advantage.