gotta ask copilot to make a perpetual crack
It keeps getting funnier as a spectator. Thanks Microslop for all the laughs. I use Arch btw.
One hand yeah. I fortunately run Linux at work and most of Microsoft’s fuckups are just fun Lemmy threads for me.
But the company is a Dell + M365 corporation like the last few places I’ve worked, so I DO get the privilege of using Teams and Outlook in a browser. Good lord has it been slow lately, but good on them at least for the functionality being there.
Between what?
I also use arch but have to use teams for work lol
“Microsoft Teams users are extremely angry” is the standard feeling when using that product.
That’s exactly what they want‽
It’s fucking wild to me that anyone ever convinced anyone in enterprise to shift to cloud and SaaS offerings in the first place.
You really thought it would be cheaper forever to give all your IT to someone else? You didn’t think you were getting captured?
You thought it was a good idea to store all your data on someone else’s servers, who have control over access to your information and, in most cases, can probably read it? And that if they raised prices or did something you didn’t like such as analysis or AI training on it, you weren’t completely held hostage by this?
It didn’t set off alarm bells that all the SaaS stuff seemed less featureful and more buggy?
That every workstation was now a recurring subscription?
That you now have to pay extra to get different software to interact with each other?
You thought there would never be any downtime? You thought if there was that you would make up the cost by contractual discounts?
It’s a good goddamn thing that I didn’t know how fucking stupid adults were when I was a kid or I’d have been scared for my fucking life for so many more years.
They wanted somebody else to be ultimately liable for problems, not themselves.
They wanted less headcount, especially amongst employees that are more intelligent than they are.
They wanted to handle things via gladhandling and ‘business negotiations’, not actual strategy snd design.
And it doesn’t help that actually running your own working mail server in 2026 is a fucking ball-ache. Especially if you don’t want every big provider to mark all your mail as spam. Email has been captured by big tech.
Even people who self host a lot of stuff usually don’t bother with it.
For me it’s the security side of self-hosting anything connected to the internet. Keeping on top of all the security updates is a chore.
I think most Teams users would only pay not to use it
Microsoft teams users should get paid to use it*
That’s the only reason I use it?
Most of my career is built on MS’s stack (I fell into .NET development and got good at it. Now I’m in the same boat as COBOL, Java, and Ruby-on-Rails devs: I’m basically a software doula.)
Every job I go into now I’m reccomending they get a migration plan for self-hosting and self-owning. The American tech system is collapsing. AI is causing massive ruptures in knowledge: it obscures searches, it deskills devs, it’s castrated the junior-senior-principle ladder such that we’re not training enough developers to even pass along all of the knowledge of how current systems work. SaaS is reaching the enshittification threshold and all those businesses that moved everything into the cloud are about to discover that they’re hostages and the sinking empire will drag down a lot of collateral damage with it.
Wait, how does Ruby-on-Rails fit with those other ones? Is it a dying framework?
Yep.
Its… pretty much apocalyptic.
C Suite finally ‘won’; they decided they could do the job of engineers.
They can’t, of course, but their hubris will burn down the world before they admit they don’t know something.
Not that my tiny customers have enough of an IT budget to buy their own servers with the recent price hike on memory and ssds.
Most of our customers are priced out of the hardware we bought zhrough the official distributor channel.
They hiked the prices to 100% of the previous batch.
Meanwhile we bought what we could from numerous resellers to make it DIY.Not many small customers can afford to drop 10k on a mid/low tier enterprise grade hardware (2x 1.92TB TLC SSDs, RAID controller, Intel E-2434, 64GB DDR5 RAM)
A few months ago this was (fully assembled mind you) around 2-3kSelf hosting doesn’t necessarily imply you need your own hardware.
Vegetarians nowadays eat eggs, vegans wear leather and self-hosters do it on someone else’s computer.
I’m old and grumpy and will stick to calling the modern vegetarians lacto-ovo-vegetarians, tell the modern vegans that veganism is a lifestyle not a diet and insist that a VPS on Hetzner is hosted by Hetzner, even if you have to manage and maintain the VM.I have also found that self-hosting, even with your own hardware, is significantly cheaper than the premium cloud hosting (AWS, etc). We priced out a VM server at my company and we found we could rebuy the hardware for it every FIVE months, just from the cloud hosting costs. And that is if we were decently disciplined about turning VMs on and off every day (which we all knew was a fantasy).
That caused us to strike out the premium providers. Leaving us with the non-premium ones (Digital Ocean, etc), co-locating, or in-house hosting.
Use a Cronjob to turn the servers on or off.
Automate everything you can
I hear you. Personally I never understood the appeal of costly hosting at AWS and such. It just always seemed so expensive. The only benefit it provided, imho, is when you legitimately need to scale very quickly or if you’ve got a really huge variance in load.
Everything else? My own servers please, and thank you for reading 😁
I bet it’s great if your business is Spirit Halloween.
What I read so far:
The dynamic scaling is what makes it worth it.
Many of the traditional hosting offerings just give you a monolithic VPS/dedicated hardware.
But if you want to up/downscale depending on peak demand during lunch hour it get’s complicated.
I’m of the opposite opinion - would you mind elaborating on how a selfhosted-on-nonowned-hardware setup would work?
I believe you, but many people self host on rented hardware for various reasons. For example “proper” self hosting comes with upfront cost. But self hosting ln a VPS comes with reliability, uptime, predictability. But you’re still the master of the software you host, of backups, etc.
So, running a VM in the cloud is somehow different from “running everything in the cloud”? I’m genuinely confused here, willing to bet I’ve misunderstood something.
Operating and administering your own systems infrastructure requires that your business invest in the people to do so, this builds institutional knowledge which makes the important bit, the data and knowledge, portable. If the VM in the cloud gets too expensive you can use another provider, or you can buy hardware and run it locally. If the VM provider cuts your service you still have access to your data because you never lost control of it. Problems can be fixed by in house staff that don’t suddenly evaporate for arbitrary reasons or have service outages.
If your entire business depends on Microsoft services and it gets too expensive you have no options but to pay more. If your account gets locked then you’re out of business until you can get Microsoft to give you access again. If you want to migrate away, there isn’t another Microsoft to move your data to and you’ve replaced all of your technical staff with a support phone number, which isn’t currently accepting your calls.
It’s a VM that you set up, you have the image yourself, you could put it on a machine in your living room if you had to.
“I’m paying for a colocation of a machine I administer” is very different from “I’ve written my application such that it can only run inside an AWS system”The end result is the same:
You control what the machine does. The data as well as backups (assuming you arent using specific hardware offerings but just compute and storage)Example:
I am done with AWS pricing and Azure gave me a fat stack credits to go over there.
Agnostic VMs could be backed up and migrated over to Azure.
Essentially the same as migrating Hyper-V or VMware to Proxmox-VEThe idea is that your services run on remote systems without regard for what those systems are (as a VM, docker image, etc.) Your architecture is decoupled from theirs - you can run on an Amazon host one week, and a server in your closet the next.
And as a bonus, systems hosted this way are often harder to scrape as they’re all structured differently. Additionally, you can (and should!) take additional measures to protect your data from your provider - something that just can’t be done when the provider controls the data architecture.
Depending on what they’re hosting, it could still be cheaper. My company wants to move a bunch of our old “tech debt” servers to AWS from the physical rack they’re in now. The estimated AWS cost for that hosting is about the same as replacing 1/6 of the entire server infrastructure every month.
There is no sound fiscal reason for us to do that, and probably likewise for many others, but Amazon is a nice, big famous company that makes an excellent scapegoat for bad planning, I guess.
Yeah, it’s fucking ridiculous that a corporate account has a user-upsell ad/button one MUST hit to access the basic settings for the program.
That’s
numberwangMicroslop!One that admins can’t even disable, it’s bizarre.
You can actually. You have to disable self service licensing for that specific license
Only way to fix this is for people and corps to stop giving them money for anything.
But it’s E C O S Y S T E M!
The entire French government is abandoning Windows for Linux. It is absolutely possible to change the entire ecosystem; just hard to hit that catalytic point, but more and more people are going that way, thankfully. Maybe they’ll even eventually find Lemmy!
I’m still grieving over XMPP. We could have an amazingly decentralized messaging platform. Google even based their own GoogleTalk over XMPP for a while, but a cluster of walled proprietary bullshit services won in the end, and Google layer switched to their own proprietary bullshit.
We could have an amazingly decentralized messaging platform.
My good sir, the modern equivalent already exists and is called: https://www.matrix.org/
That’s causing a lot of chaos in the online world isn’t it?
France switched to OnlyOffice and Nextcloud, and now there’s a feud between the two. I can’t imagine using an office suite that’s possibly a dead-end fork of a company that’s fighting with the cloud drive I use to upload my documents.
There will be short-term chaos, but now you have a sovereign entity with a huge amount of money creating a market for solutions to those problems.
It also makes it so that standards become more important than whatever latest feature is included in .docx files. Fancy capabilities do not mean much when you can’t send the files to the government without converting them into a standards-compliant format.
With broad adoption of standards comes the ability for competition to build compatible products and services. Microsoft can’t just change Word or Edge in a way that breaks the software of competitors if nobody is trapped in their walled garden.
Stop using American spyware. Theyre basically asking you to pay them to spy on you as well as use their products. Edward Snowden proved his point that we should blacklist the garbage software and hardware that comes from that fascist country.
We need to start treating software like Science. Open standards, Open source, collaborative development.
It’s a ridiculous situation that a single company gets to own and control the vast majority of the desktop computing market. This single point of failure has been responsible for an enormous amount of cybersecurity issues and spying.
The quicker the EU countries break that monopoly the better off the entire world will be.
Those trillions of dollars being poured into US tech companies is a large part of why they’re able to capture all of the political system and transition the country into this neo-fascisim that we’re seeing now.
And his is the tip of the iceberg
Weird. I’ve not yet seen this on my Teams. It would piss me off if I did, but then again Teams pisses me off all the time anyway.
This isn’t new. I’ve seen similar banners in the past few years. And I complained to our IT team or my manager both times.
This is what I think of when I think of Teams: a mish-mashed pile of garbage where each individual component belongs to a different team. And nobody has any idea what any other team is doing.
The irony of making people look at AI while complaining about a company that makes people look at AI
Dude, (and I’m being 100% honest here). My buddy works on one of the teams teams, and you are entirely correct.
We’ve had this „upgrade to premium“ icon appear on my machine’s teams but not on my workmates‘ which was setup using the same process as mine.
My Buddy told me their managers get a report on who ISNT using AI enough every week. They are literally being forced to use AI and the resulting code is of course 50% shit.
While I sympathize with this issue…
Boy do I dislike articles where the entire headline is “____ is angry about ____”.
And people click it, because they’re all, “Oh boy, what do I get to be mad about today?”
Read more to find out what people who use Microsoft teams are pooping their pants about!
Other than it being M$ slop, what are the problems with it functionally?
I used to work at a place that has been using Skype group chats (lol) and just a couple weeks before that client left (call center, got moved to working a different company) they switched to Teams for group chat.
Now we only used a team wide group text chat and the supervisors would have separate chats for individual workers.
But the only thing I remember about it was that the emojis weren’t animated like Skype and that the color of the UI looked kinda like the Discord default.
The problem is that they kept on forcing stuff into it till it became a bloated monster.
When teams was the replacement for Skype, it was pretty much just that, a chat and call app.
Now you have chats, calls, teams that are automatically their own SharePoint (not to confuse with the SharePoint sites themselves), contacts, calendar (synct with outlook, but completely different ui and functions), planner (not to confuse with to-do, stuff in the planer can show up in to-do, but not vice versa), power automate integration, power apps integration (that only work half the time cause of missing user rights), OneNote integration (at least that one still has its own app), and a plethora of different apps you can link.
The files in the individual teams take ages to load, the UI changes every few days for the sake of it, basic features break for no apparent reason, calls randomly don’t connect, sound in and output breaks repeatedly.
Its a slow and cluncky mess of different apps tacked onto each other, just so MS can say that they have an app for that instead of forcing you to use the browser interface.
I have no idea what one note it share point are, but that sounds hellish.
They are now animated
