You’re assuming this is the first time I’ve come across any information about China. Or he’ll even the first time I’ve seen an argument from pro china Tankie. But it’s not, I consider myself a socialist, I’ve read into the histories of china and Russia and a bit on other socialist countries and used to be quite pro china myself, but the more I read, the more information I got about how china actually operates, as I talked to actual people from China, HK and surrounding countries, and as my values matured I realise I can’t support the Chinese state (and that’s it’s not exactly even socialist) because its so authoritarian, corrupt and generally immoral.
Yes the west is shit in so many ways and capitalism is completely unsustainable, but that doesn’t mean I need to support Chinese “socialism” just because it’s not western capitalism.
And I don’t think a random post from a user that’s posting blatant propaganda is going to completely recontexualise everything I know about China and make all their bullshit suddenly ok. So why waste my team reading it?
And to give a more extreme scenario, if you encountered a Nazi who wrote a massive comment about how Nazi Germany was actually great and democratic and treated people well, would you bother to read it? Are you obliged to learn about it?
Again, you reject even western academics and scholars like Jason Hickel and Roland Boer, organizations like Harvard and the Ash Center, and even Wikipedia. Who on Earth do you trust, then? These are “blatant propaganda,” as you say? Regarding your comparison of socialists to Nazis, this is a ridiculous leap. No, socialism isn’t fascism, and equating the two is a form of Holocaust trivialization with ties to Double Genocide Theory.
To place Russian communism on the same moral level with Nazi fascism, because both are totalitarian, is, at best, superficial, in the worse case it is fascism. He who insists on this equality may be a democrat; in truth and in his heart, he is already a fascist, and will surely fight fascism with insincerity and appearance, but with complete hatred only communism.
I’ve explained before, but no, China is not capitalist. Public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, it governs the large firms and key industries and dominates the overall character of the economy. Private ownership exists, but is secondary to that, filling in the gaps left behind by the huge state driven industries in secondary and underdeveloped areas, and is folded into the public sector as it grows. The capitalist class is not allowed to gain political power, and the working classes control the state.
You should support China’s socialist system because it’s not at all like the figure you have in your head. It’s imperfect because it’s real, but is constantly improving.
You’re assuming this is the first time I’ve come across any information about China. Or he’ll even the first time I’ve seen an argument from pro china Tankie. But it’s not, I consider myself a socialist, I’ve read into the histories of china and Russia and a bit on other socialist countries and used to be quite pro china myself, but the more I read, the more information I got about how china actually operates, as I talked to actual people from China, HK and surrounding countries, and as my values matured I realise I can’t support the Chinese state (and that’s it’s not exactly even socialist) because its so authoritarian, corrupt and generally immoral.
Yes the west is shit in so many ways and capitalism is completely unsustainable, but that doesn’t mean I need to support Chinese “socialism” just because it’s not western capitalism.
And I don’t think a random post from a user that’s posting blatant propaganda is going to completely recontexualise everything I know about China and make all their bullshit suddenly ok. So why waste my team reading it?
And to give a more extreme scenario, if you encountered a Nazi who wrote a massive comment about how Nazi Germany was actually great and democratic and treated people well, would you bother to read it? Are you obliged to learn about it?
Do you think that your knowledge of fascist Germany and socialist China are at comparable levels? Do you think those societies are at all comparable?
Again, you reject even western academics and scholars like Jason Hickel and Roland Boer, organizations like Harvard and the Ash Center, and even Wikipedia. Who on Earth do you trust, then? These are “blatant propaganda,” as you say? Regarding your comparison of socialists to Nazis, this is a ridiculous leap. No, socialism isn’t fascism, and equating the two is a form of Holocaust trivialization with ties to Double Genocide Theory.
I’ve explained before, but no, China is not capitalist. Public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, it governs the large firms and key industries and dominates the overall character of the economy. Private ownership exists, but is secondary to that, filling in the gaps left behind by the huge state driven industries in secondary and underdeveloped areas, and is folded into the public sector as it grows. The capitalist class is not allowed to gain political power, and the working classes control the state.
You should support China’s socialist system because it’s not at all like the figure you have in your head. It’s imperfect because it’s real, but is constantly improving.