• insurrection@mstdn.social
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            4 hours ago

            i’d say that it becomes an empty accusation in the modern context, yea. like, duh. the modern state is fascist. but it’s not useless to understand the characteristics of the systems that oppress us.

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              4 hours ago

              Ok so what do you describe yourself as ideologically?

              Also, thinking of it: you give Mussolini the right to describe the ideology he created. Why don’t you give Lenin the same right and call the USSR a socialist state?

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                4 hours ago

                I didn’t say anything about whether the ussr was socialist. I said the evidence you gave doesn’t preclude the ussr from being fascist

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                  2 hours ago

                  Socialism and fascism are mutually exclusive, though. Mussolini, Franco and Hitler were extremely quick to eliminate socialists because they were aware of this.

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                    right. and while the ussr may have been socialist (i honestly don’t want to take a position on that), the features of the society that you cited are not explicitly socialist. you mostly cited the existence of institutions within the state and some statistics about the standard of living. those could appear in a fascist society, as well.