So, incorrect usage of a fallacy, moving goalposts, feigned ignorance , and now projection.
Claiming that something is a fallacy doesn’t make it any less true. It’s a very lazy way of arguing.
The real problem is that some countries are actively trying to de-anonymize internet users. Not all countries accused of it are actually doing it, not all laws that people say will do it actually have this goal and not every technology that makes it possible will for sure be used with this purpose. Going on wild chases after some silly PRs in systemd or digital IDs is not helping anyone. It just serves as a distraction and makes fighting the real threats more difficult.
The real problem is that some countries are actively trying to de-anonymize internet users. Not all countries accused of it are actually doing it, not all laws that people say will do it actually have this goal and not every technology that makes it possible will for sure be used with this purpose.
100% agree that this is a big problem, it’s not the only one, but a big one.
I’m expecting it to work on a multiplicative curve, exponential ? geometric?
All of the bits from various places will add up and continue to accumulate momentum towards the goal.
Going on wild chases after some silly PRs in systemd or digital IDs is not helping anyone. It just serves as a distraction and makes fighting the real threats more difficult.
Which is again, not the point and also incorrect.
Highlighting this as another example of the continuous creep towards end goal while explaining the increasing encroachment is incredibly useful for getting more eyes on the bigger picture.
because…the issue isn’t the PR , but the intent behind it.
If it was just about the PR itself in isolation, i’d agree with you.
If anything, you trying to shut down the discussion around this “silly” PR is doing more to harm the general increase in awareness.
Highlighting this as another example of the continuous creep towards end goal while explaining the increasing encroachment is incredibly useful for getting more eyes on the bigger picture.
Hmmm… maybe you’re right. I will follow the comments more closely to see what part of them talks about fighting the actual legislation and what part just talks about abandoning systemd. My sensation so far was that people were focusing almost exclusively on forking the project and creating pointless alternative distros but maybe it was just my bias.
I agree that if talking about systemd would serve to inform people about the legislation and abolish it (or prevent the next one) it would be actually useful. Recently we’ve seen couple of fairly successful actions like complaining about Android’s developer verification to EU, complaining about planned backdoors in E2E encryption in EU or writing to EU about open source in general. All this was done before changes were actually enacted and in reaction to concrete proposals, not as weird attacks on unrelated projects after the law was already passed and complaining about some general and gradual “slippery slope” style attacks on privacy. But maybe the other tactic will also work. I guess we’ll see.
Claiming that something is a fallacy doesn’t make it any less true. It’s a very lazy way of arguing.
The real problem is that some countries are actively trying to de-anonymize internet users. Not all countries accused of it are actually doing it, not all laws that people say will do it actually have this goal and not every technology that makes it possible will for sure be used with this purpose. Going on wild chases after some silly PRs in systemd or digital IDs is not helping anyone. It just serves as a distraction and makes fighting the real threats more difficult.
I agree completely, i’ve seen an example of this recently :
I also have a list of examples of things that are not fallacies, just poor debate skills:
If i had to pick one though i’d probably go with the Invincible ignorance fallacy
100% agree that this is a big problem, it’s not the only one, but a big one.
I’m expecting it to work on a multiplicative curve, exponential ? geometric?
All of the bits from various places will add up and continue to accumulate momentum towards the goal.
Which is again, not the point and also incorrect.
Highlighting this as another example of the continuous creep towards end goal while explaining the increasing encroachment is incredibly useful for getting more eyes on the bigger picture.
because…the issue isn’t the PR , but the intent behind it.
If it was just about the PR itself in isolation, i’d agree with you.
If anything, you trying to shut down the discussion around this “silly” PR is doing more to harm the general increase in awareness.
Hmmm… maybe you’re right. I will follow the comments more closely to see what part of them talks about fighting the actual legislation and what part just talks about abandoning systemd. My sensation so far was that people were focusing almost exclusively on forking the project and creating pointless alternative distros but maybe it was just my bias.
I agree that if talking about systemd would serve to inform people about the legislation and abolish it (or prevent the next one) it would be actually useful. Recently we’ve seen couple of fairly successful actions like complaining about Android’s developer verification to EU, complaining about planned backdoors in E2E encryption in EU or writing to EU about open source in general. All this was done before changes were actually enacted and in reaction to concrete proposals, not as weird attacks on unrelated projects after the law was already passed and complaining about some general and gradual “slippery slope” style attacks on privacy. But maybe the other tactic will also work. I guess we’ll see.