It’s highly likely that the PRC is supplying intel to Iran, given their effectiveness in the war thus-far. The PRC isn’t going to put boots on the ground in Iran and risk World War III, the PRC benefits from the US Empire’s self-driven destruction.
They won’t join the conflict and cause a nuclear holocaust, that doesn’t mean they’re not materially supporting Iran
Indeed, isn’t China the source of Iran’s missiles and drones? So I’m pretty sure they’re helping how they can without getting directly involved.
Iran has domestic missile and drone production, quite a lot of it in fact.
Not only that, they have historically refused deals to purchase military equipment, and have always preferred purchasing technology so they can make it themselves.
Yep, great point! Iran most of all values its independence, which is a blessing and a curse.
Oh I’m sure, but I thought they were buying from China too.
Yes, that’s correct, they are buying from China as well. Just wanted to point out that they aren’t entirely dependent on China for production, which would limit them as the war goes on.
All good, I probably should have said China is ‘a’ source of missiles and drones for Iran, but doing that now would render this whole thread redundant and people have to see what real leftist infighting looks like 😜
Haha, fair. Only problem is that Geneva can’t see my comments because they blocked me for calling them out on this shit before.
That’s a shame. I wish there were options for semi-blocking (seeing comment exists but auto-spoilering it or something) and hiding comments and such, things that would let people address people/comments at their pace without blanket blocks. Trying to build a custom frontend in my free time but it’s tricky and free time isn’t always easy to come by.
Iran sells oil to China. China sells components to Iran. But China isn’t intercepting any missiles or helping militarily.
Meanwhile even Europe is intercepting Irian drones for Israel.
Europe has millitary bases in the area, the PRC does not. This isn’t particularly complicated. Stop obsessively following Bad Empanada.
Europe has millitary bases in the area,
Hopefully not for much longer
Absolutely! I’m personally hoping for regime change in some of the gulf states as dominos from this failed terrorism.
I think that’s the only way for this to go in some cases. I’m fairly certain this war marks the end of US hegemony, as there’s no way the US can address all this and its domestic issues simultaneously, and I suspect those domestic issues are rapidly ramping up due to the economic strain caused by the war.
It’s certainly going to have an impact, I’m trying to temper my expectations but this could very well be catastrophic for the US Empire and a massive miscalculation.
A sure indication of a failing empire is it picking fights with weaker and weaker adversaries
China is helping with intelligence and software as well. Iran wouldn’t be able to survive without China, like it or not.
The top brass of the Iranian military getting wiped out in a single strike suggests China is not doing a very good job at that.
Chinese satalite footage is useful, but besides that the war is basically all Iran solo with their own missiles and drones.
What do you expect China to do? Enter the war? Iranian attacks wouldn’t be this effective without China, and China helped them get rid of Mossad operatives.
Better anti air defenses would have been cool. Or those hypersonic anti ship missiles.
There was a lot of talk of Chinese weapons systems but all we’re seeing is Shaheds and Iranian domestic missiles.
Meanwhile NATO is sending troops and weapons from every country including the European ones. And they even participate in intercepting Iranian missiles. Looks like Capitalist international solidarity is far superior.
There was a lot of talk of Chinese weapons systems but all we’re seeing is Shaheds and Iranian domestic missiles.
Both of these are made using materials from China. Rocket fuel precursor and duel use drone components (also SAM components which seem to have had some luck downing Israeli drones).
Or those hypersonic anti ship missiles.
Iran are using their old stock they haven’t even started using their own hypersonic FATTAH-1s what makes you think they’d bring out the even more advanced Chinese stock they might have?
Meanwhile NATO is sending troops and weapons from every country including the European ones. And they even participate in intercepting Iranian missiles. Looks like Capitalist international solidarity is far superior.
Almost like when the current hegemon and it’s vassal’s have nuclear weapons and they decide to take direct action against non nuclear powers MAD makes it near impossible for rival nuclear powers to step in personally.
Please don’t take this the wrong way I’m not trying to call you out or any of that nonsense, but from the 2 of your posts where we’ve had brief interactions it feels like you have a set outcome in mind (China bad) and are twisting yourself in knots to to reach that point irrespective of facts or material reality.
The issue with their anti air defenses is that radars can be destroyed, and they were, so they can’t intercept the attacks easily anymore. Iran understood this and that’s why it prepared for an evacuation from the beginning. I’m unaware of radars being able to be underground and effective, considering the US radars were also very exposed (and subsequently bombed by Iran). If you know of tech that China could have deployed there for this specific use case then I’d love to learn more, I’m not a military expert by any means.
There was a lot of talk of Chinese weapons systems but all we’re seeing is Shaheds and Iranian domestic missiles.
Iran said they’re first using their older missiles, give them time and they’ll use the ones from China.
Looks like Capitalist international solidarity is far superior.
Capitalists won’t be held accountable while they’re the hegemon or vassals to the hegemon. I don’t wanna be overly optimistic, but that might change soon enough if they keep making irrational decisions like the current war against Iran.
Wow, I thought the non-stop cargo delivery from China to Iran for months before the war were all advanced defense equiments, now I see they were thoughts and prayers.
Those were giant prayer wheels, spinning non stop since then.
realistically speaking we’re in the first 2 days of bombardment of a country as big as “central europe” surrounded by mountains that put the swiss alps to shame. they don’t need military support. imo this either ends in a limp show of force or a forever war
forever war
Military industrial complex:
