I absolutely and unequivocally side with Palestine (half of my family is Palestinian) and Ukraine.
It’s jokes. It’s a shitposting group. I shitposted.
I do not stand with Russia or Israel. Both of those regimes go against everything that means basically anything to me. They are evil, along with the USA, which I live in unfortunately.
I get you. But I still downvoted your post. Why? Not because I disagree with anything you said in this comment, but because you can’t be certain anymore. Shitpost communities are also being affected by people with actual political motives, many memes aren’t memes and tankies rule this space of the internet, just like I left 9GAG years ago because of the neo nazi takeover.
I’m a firm believer of the horseshoe theory (which of course isn’t a blanket theory for everything), but nazis call me communist scum and tankies call me (apparently, as it just happened under another comment under your post) a Zionist. Of course I am neither.
They’re all the same people to me. They’re people with a twisted, broken and oversimplified worldview who won’t be bothered with annoying things like facts and logic. Maybe tankies have a slightly better heart, but the ones supporting the DPRK are just as deranged as the MAGAts.
I’m glad I’m finally seeing someone else that’s actually both pro-palestine AND pro-ukraine for once. It’s usually mutually exclusive — I don’t understand why. Literally every single pro-palestine person I’ve seen otherwise has been pretty vocally anti-Ukraine.
That’s mostly the internet though. If I talk to my friends and almost all my colleagues, they overwhelmingly and strongly hold these two views.
For instance, at the lunch table at work (about 8 ppl there, somewhere in Europe, during a discussion about Trump) I uttered the phrase “I think we need to start viewing the US as an enemy state under the current administration”, fully expecting to set off a fierce discussion. Instead everyone was like, “yup, sounds about right” and carried on with their lunch.
Point is: talk to people outside the internet and they may surprise you.
I don’t interpret this in either of the ways you suggest. I interpret the image as a whole as ironic:
OP is paraphrasing people that claim “Russia bombing people is bad, but the US bombing people is good, and by the way Israel is above all criticism and you’re an antisemite for suggesting otherwise”, and pointing out the hypocrisy in that claim. I think OP is against wars of aggression in general, and is pointing out that the US and Israel are behaving the same way as Russia when they go bombing people “preemptively”, and that being the aggressor in a war is always bad, regardless of who you are.
THANK YOU. That is exactly what was meant by this. It’s a critique towards Israel and war itself, and in no way was meant to show support for the US, Israel or Russia. Fuck all of those countries’ governments.
You correct, it’s the NATO flag, so you can replace “US” with “NATO” in my comment and my original point still stands. I wrote “US”, because they’re the only NATO member currently bombing someone in a war of aggression.
Either they’re all ironic [] or none of them are ironic
Textbook false dichotomy, and not how I read it at all. Setup->Punchline is the most basic joke format in existence. The whole point of a setup is you have to be on board with it before getting sideswiped by the punchline.
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
That being said 9s after posting this comment I already have one upvote? Wondering if the admins can check what’s happening with the votes because as much as I believe I’m right I do also think there’s a lot of vote manipulation and propaganda accounts in here.
The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.
To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.
“The entire concept of” South Africa and Germany still exist. The comment you made above says
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
Implying you think it and its people should stop existing.
Yes, but only one of the two is happening irl, the other one is a hypothetical.
Also hippies protested more in the USA against Vietnam killings. I’m not sure what options they have in Israel, but I never heard about mass opposition to what their country & taxes are doing.
And the people do bare some responsibly for what their country is doing - it’s more than just participating in a society to survive when you are living well & not in a warzone.
There ARE massive protests in Israel about this specific topic. It just doesn’t make the news for obvious reasons, kinda like the absolutely gigantic protests here in the US don’t make the news.
For you to say “I want to eradicate this people” is not nuanced based on which people are currently being eradicated. It’s just a stupid and hateful opinion.
Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.
I just interpreted as a meme criticising how people automatically side with the “good side” whether it is actually good or just a puppet state that has to win. Ukraine is actually the good side and accidentally the west supports it. Palestine is actually the good side but they got unlucky and the west supports israel. If anyone is sane, ukraine and palestine both deserve peace because an agressor attacked them and theyre just defending themselves but in the west the narrative kind of conflicts itself cause they support ukraine and israel.
This is somehow controversial, but I firmly believe that all of them, Ukraine, Palestine, Israel, Iran, everyone else, deserves an independent nation free of totalitarian dictators or religious fundamentalists.
I agree that ethnostates are required today because its the only way to protect a group of people. Ideally ethnostates wouldnt have to be a thing. With how things are now, i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again, and also a lot of the people there have never known a different home than israel. On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory. The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Fun fact: In the 1950s, Zionists secretly performed terrorist attacks on Jewish synagogues and communities around the middle east. This was done in an effort to make them feel unsafe in Arab countries to promote migrations to the newly-formed country of Israel. Before this, Jewish people largely lived at peace alongside Muslims, as they were traditionally considered “People of the Book” due to their shared Abrahamic-religious background.
Edit: I only say this because I don’t believe ethnostates are necessary to protect groups of people, and I believe the “having nowhere else to go” mentality was intentionally manufactured. Furthermore, when these ethnostates claim ownership over a group of people and commit atrocities in the name of the ethnostate, that makes it more dangerous for that group of people to live peacefully elsewhere.
i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again
And, more importantly, you lose the moral ground on which you get to protest the Palestinian genocide when you’re advocating for Israeli genocide.
On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory
Absolutely agree. UN forces should secure the borders (as they were originally defined) and consider any settler a terrorist.
The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Yup. I kind of hope that their economy crashing will allow the eastern provinces to reach independence, but at the same time I realise that it would be suicide for them. Like, even if they somehow managed to get the money and food to supply and govern themselves, there’s no reality in which China doesn’t immediately swoop in and grab half of Siberia.
Either they’re all ironic and OP sides with Russa over Ukraine or none of them are ironic and OP sides with Israel.
I don’t like it. Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.
I absolutely and unequivocally side with Palestine (half of my family is Palestinian) and Ukraine.
It’s jokes. It’s a shitposting group. I shitposted.
I do not stand with Russia or Israel. Both of those regimes go against everything that means basically anything to me. They are evil, along with the USA, which I live in unfortunately.
WTF
Everyday I see tankie posts and it’s often the same scam: “america bad” (okay) “hence russia and china good”
Your post could be interpreted as such, especially on Lemmy
I get you. But I still downvoted your post. Why? Not because I disagree with anything you said in this comment, but because you can’t be certain anymore. Shitpost communities are also being affected by people with actual political motives, many memes aren’t memes and tankies rule this space of the internet, just like I left 9GAG years ago because of the neo nazi takeover.
I’m a firm believer of the horseshoe theory (which of course isn’t a blanket theory for everything), but nazis call me communist scum and tankies call me (apparently, as it just happened under another comment under your post) a Zionist. Of course I am neither.
They’re all the same people to me. They’re people with a twisted, broken and oversimplified worldview who won’t be bothered with annoying things like facts and logic. Maybe tankies have a slightly better heart, but the ones supporting the DPRK are just as deranged as the MAGAts.
I’m glad I’m finally seeing someone else that’s actually both pro-palestine AND pro-ukraine for once. It’s usually mutually exclusive — I don’t understand why. Literally every single pro-palestine person I’ve seen otherwise has been pretty vocally anti-Ukraine.
That’s mostly the internet though. If I talk to my friends and almost all my colleagues, they overwhelmingly and strongly hold these two views.
For instance, at the lunch table at work (about 8 ppl there, somewhere in Europe, during a discussion about Trump) I uttered the phrase “I think we need to start viewing the US as an enemy state under the current administration”, fully expecting to set off a fierce discussion. Instead everyone was like, “yup, sounds about right” and carried on with their lunch.
Point is: talk to people outside the internet and they may surprise you.
I don’t interpret this in either of the ways you suggest. I interpret the image as a whole as ironic:
OP is paraphrasing people that claim “Russia bombing people is bad, but the US bombing people is good, and by the way Israel is above all criticism and you’re an antisemite for suggesting otherwise”, and pointing out the hypocrisy in that claim. I think OP is against wars of aggression in general, and is pointing out that the US and Israel are behaving the same way as Russia when they go bombing people “preemptively”, and that being the aggressor in a war is always bad, regardless of who you are.
THANK YOU. That is exactly what was meant by this. It’s a critique towards Israel and war itself, and in no way was meant to show support for the US, Israel or Russia. Fuck all of those countries’ governments.
It’s super hard to joke on Lemmy lately, everyone is srs af
That’s not the US Flag.
Fuck Russia.
You correct, it’s the NATO flag, so you can replace “US” with “NATO” in my comment and my original point still stands. I wrote “US”, because they’re the only NATO member currently bombing someone in a war of aggression.
Textbook false dichotomy, and not how I read it at all. Setup->Punchline is the most basic joke format in existence. The whole point of a setup is you have to be on board with it before getting sideswiped by the punchline.
This.
False dichotomy. Back to banjo practice 🤡
Fuck Israel as a whole too why just Netanyahu?
Like 78% of Israel.
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
That being said 9s after posting this comment I already have one upvote? Wondering if the admins can check what’s happening with the votes because as much as I believe I’m right I do also think there’s a lot of vote manipulation and propaganda accounts in here.
What choice is there?
The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.
To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.
Well just because apartheid south Africa or nazi Germany got dismantled it doesn’t mean that everyone living there suddenly ceased to exist.
A state is an imaginary construct and as such can cease to exist without the actual human being‘s phyiscal existence being affected by that.
It’s a logical fallacy to equate these two things and justify the existence of a settler colonial entity through that.
“The entire concept of” South Africa and Germany still exist. The comment you made above says
Implying you think it and its people should stop existing.
So look at Rhodesia to Zimbabwe, if you want a new state that arose from the destruction of the settler-colonist state prior.
Yes, but only one of the two is happening irl, the other one is a hypothetical.
Also hippies protested more in the USA against Vietnam killings. I’m not sure what options they have in Israel, but I never heard about mass opposition to what their country & taxes are doing.
And the people do bare some responsibly for what their country is doing - it’s more than just participating in a society to survive when you are living well & not in a warzone.
There ARE massive protests in Israel about this specific topic. It just doesn’t make the news for obvious reasons, kinda like the absolutely gigantic protests here in the US don’t make the news.
Oh, that’s good, til, thx.
wiki/Israeli_hostage_deal_protests
For you to say “I want to eradicate this people” is not nuanced based on which people are currently being eradicated. It’s just a stupid and hateful opinion.
Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.
Argentina and Brazil are colonial entities? Please elaborate, haven’t heard before.
Edit: How the hell do people deal with Israel given its Samson option??
Both governed by European settlers rather than the indigenous population.
I just interpreted as a meme criticising how people automatically side with the “good side” whether it is actually good or just a puppet state that has to win. Ukraine is actually the good side and accidentally the west supports it. Palestine is actually the good side but they got unlucky and the west supports israel. If anyone is sane, ukraine and palestine both deserve peace because an agressor attacked them and theyre just defending themselves but in the west the narrative kind of conflicts itself cause they support ukraine and israel.
This is somehow controversial, but I firmly believe that all of them, Ukraine, Palestine, Israel, Iran, everyone else, deserves an independent nation free of totalitarian dictators or religious fundamentalists.
I agree that ethnostates are required today because its the only way to protect a group of people. Ideally ethnostates wouldnt have to be a thing. With how things are now, i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again, and also a lot of the people there have never known a different home than israel. On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory. The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Fun fact: In the 1950s, Zionists secretly performed terrorist attacks on Jewish synagogues and communities around the middle east. This was done in an effort to make them feel unsafe in Arab countries to promote migrations to the newly-formed country of Israel. Before this, Jewish people largely lived at peace alongside Muslims, as they were traditionally considered “People of the Book” due to their shared Abrahamic-religious background.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist-role-confirmed-operative-police-report
Edit: I only say this because I don’t believe ethnostates are necessary to protect groups of people, and I believe the “having nowhere else to go” mentality was intentionally manufactured. Furthermore, when these ethnostates claim ownership over a group of people and commit atrocities in the name of the ethnostate, that makes it more dangerous for that group of people to live peacefully elsewhere.
And, more importantly, you lose the moral ground on which you get to protest the Palestinian genocide when you’re advocating for Israeli genocide.
(“you” here is “a person”, not you, @[email protected])
Absolutely agree. UN forces should secure the borders (as they were originally defined) and consider any settler a terrorist.
Yup. I kind of hope that their economy crashing will allow the eastern provinces to reach independence, but at the same time I realise that it would be suicide for them. Like, even if they somehow managed to get the money and food to supply and govern themselves, there’s no reality in which China doesn’t immediately swoop in and grab half of Siberia.
You are crazy.
fuck all govs. fuck israel separately because it’s not a real country.
Opposing all governments topples none of them.