I’m not trolling. I’m trying to get you to think about what you’re saying. I’m hoping if you do, you’ll realize that doctors have to base their diagnosis on “I want to stop but I can’t” and that’s all. Unless it’s something like drinking or drugs that can kill you or harm others, they can’t help some one who says they don’t have a problem.
I don’t have to think about what I’m saying because I know that this:
“doctors have to base their diagnosis on “I want to stop but I can’t” and that’s all.”
is not true.
Do you seriously believe psychiatrists only have this one determining factor to decide if someone is addicted to something?
The ICD-11, which is what is relevant where I’m from, states Gaming Addiction as a behavioral addiction for which one diagnostic criteria is preoccupation which is determined by how often you play games.
To be fair the DSM-5(American Psychiatric Association) lists gaming addiction in it’s ‘more research needed’ section and hasn’t yet determined diagnostic criteria for gaming addiction specifically. But it does have the behavioral addiction of gambling, in which preoccupation is also one of these criteria.
I don’t know what else to tell you other than that the information you have or where it comes from is simply not true, I’m sorry.
I was seriously asking. Judging by your reaction though, I assume it doesn’t give a number. Probably because it doesn’t really factor into the diagnosis at all. The core of the diagnosis will be based on how much it affects your health and happiness.
Because you seem to lack the understanding that no one criteria is enough to diagnose addiction. And yes the preoccupation and duration of use are listed as criteria in both ICD-11 and the DSM-5. Just because there is no set number doesn’t mean they do not factor in to diagnosis. And again how it affects your health and life in generell are obviously also criteria by which addiction gets diagnosed.
But saying duration and amount of use are not factors is not true.
What you don’t understand is that addiction is actually a symptom of another illness and doctors would like to get rid of the concept of addiction, but they can’t because it’d collapse a billion dollar industry, turn the DEA and the rest of the government against them, and they’d never hear the end of it from the lay people. “Preoccupation and duration of use” are fuzzy weasel words without any clear definition tacked on to this criteria simply to appease us wall-eyed villagers.
Which doctors are trying to get rid of the “concept” of addiction?
What Illness is addiction a “symptom” of?
What billion Dollar Industry are you talking about exaclty?
If Addiction is a symptom and not an illness why did you spend this whole thread arguing about its criteria? Symptoms aren’t diagnosed.
Most of them, OCD, the rehab and drug enforcement industry, I was trying to get you to ponder the concept of addiction. Saying what I said so bluntly is like telling a Christian that Jesus died 2000 years ago and he ain’t coming back. I couldn’t just dump that on you.
I’m not trolling. I’m trying to get you to think about what you’re saying. I’m hoping if you do, you’ll realize that doctors have to base their diagnosis on “I want to stop but I can’t” and that’s all. Unless it’s something like drinking or drugs that can kill you or harm others, they can’t help some one who says they don’t have a problem.
Well if you’re honestly not trolling…
I don’t have to think about what I’m saying because I know that this:
“doctors have to base their diagnosis on “I want to stop but I can’t” and that’s all.”
is not true.
Do you seriously believe psychiatrists only have this one determining factor to decide if someone is addicted to something?
The ICD-11, which is what is relevant where I’m from, states Gaming Addiction as a behavioral addiction for which one diagnostic criteria is preoccupation which is determined by how often you play games.
To be fair the DSM-5(American Psychiatric Association) lists gaming addiction in it’s ‘more research needed’ section and hasn’t yet determined diagnostic criteria for gaming addiction specifically. But it does have the behavioral addiction of gambling, in which preoccupation is also one of these criteria.
I don’t know what else to tell you other than that the information you have or where it comes from is simply not true, I’m sorry.
That’s interesting. How many times does the DSM-5 say you can gamble before you have an addiction?
Interesting. How many times do I have to explain the concept of needing multiple criteria in order to diagnose addiction for you to understand it?
I was seriously asking. Judging by your reaction though, I assume it doesn’t give a number. Probably because it doesn’t really factor into the diagnosis at all. The core of the diagnosis will be based on how much it affects your health and happiness.
Because you seem to lack the understanding that no one criteria is enough to diagnose addiction. And yes the preoccupation and duration of use are listed as criteria in both ICD-11 and the DSM-5. Just because there is no set number doesn’t mean they do not factor in to diagnosis. And again how it affects your health and life in generell are obviously also criteria by which addiction gets diagnosed. But saying duration and amount of use are not factors is not true.
What you don’t understand is that addiction is actually a symptom of another illness and doctors would like to get rid of the concept of addiction, but they can’t because it’d collapse a billion dollar industry, turn the DEA and the rest of the government against them, and they’d never hear the end of it from the lay people. “Preoccupation and duration of use” are fuzzy weasel words without any clear definition tacked on to this criteria simply to appease us wall-eyed villagers.
Which doctors are trying to get rid of the “concept” of addiction? What Illness is addiction a “symptom” of? What billion Dollar Industry are you talking about exaclty? If Addiction is a symptom and not an illness why did you spend this whole thread arguing about its criteria? Symptoms aren’t diagnosed.
The only one being fuzzy and vague is you
Most of them, OCD, the rehab and drug enforcement industry, I was trying to get you to ponder the concept of addiction. Saying what I said so bluntly is like telling a Christian that Jesus died 2000 years ago and he ain’t coming back. I couldn’t just dump that on you.