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    2 days ago

    I’ll fight you in that war. I’ll fight for science, for better living standards, for the future, against reactionary anprims.

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      I think it’s not about primitivism, but discarding tools that atrophy us rather than empower us.

      I’m not sure what side humanoid robots fall on.

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        but discarding tools that atrophy us rather than empower us.

        In the book it discarded tools that empowered us and ending up atrophying humanity basically forever, and even when the atrophy supposedly ended for the price of unbelivable suffering, it was only vulgar numerical and territorial growth, not empowerment. And it STILL required usage of not only forbidden tech but also technomagic required to even have a primitivist interstellar civilization.

        Butlerian jihad was deeply reactionary war and every leftist should fight against the bastards that set up the Great Convention system.

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          The Jihad was the basis for the development of mentats, navigators, prescience, most of what the Bene Gesserit could do, etc.

          The spice became a cause of atrophy as well when people became reliant on it, but that’s consistent with the theme.

          Fuck the Great Convention obviously, but the Jihad was (mostly) good actually.

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            The Jihad was the basis for the development of mentats, navigators, prescience, most of what the Bene Gesserit could do, etc.

            Supremacist superhuman cults and objectification of humans are good and empowering according to you? Wow how nice. Also you forgot nice tleilaxan things like turning every woman into breeding tank or genetically engineered slaves. Prescience? Did you missed literally every book constantly saying “prescience bad”?

            The spice became a cause of atrophy as well when people became reliant on it, but that’s consistent with the theme.

            Yes it’s consistent with the theme of butlerian jihad atrophying humanity to the point of being hooked on barely understood space heroin. The atrophy and decay of human minds went so far barely anyone even thought about that.

            Fuck the Great Convention obviously, but the Jihad was (mostly) good actually.

            Jihad literally plunged humanity into millenia of slavery and serfdom. I find it absolutely wild that any leftist would support this.

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        1 day ago

        Robots are always on the side of their masters.

        Kung fu robots don’t work for usa, so they’re on my side.

        Boston dynamics dog robots work for usa, so they’re not on my side.