• Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    And how do you , practically, do that?

    By paying attention to your child.

    Before the internet, parents could exert control by knowing where their children were physically going and who they were talking to over the phone.

    Yes, by paying attention to their children.

    Even in the '90s and 2000s, parents could control a child’s Internet use by limiting time on the family computer.

    Yep, by paying attention to when the kid was on the computer and what they were doing on there.

    Nowadays? Just about every child has a tablet or phone. Even the ones who don’t have devices at home, or have their device use monitored at home, have access to school devices.

    If you give a child a tablet or phone, you should probably pay attention to what they are doing with it. You wouldn’t just give them a full tool box to play with unsupervised.

    Exerting control over a child’s online activity now means monitoring everything they do on every device they have access to, including during the eight hours per day or so that they’re on devices for school work

    Yep, by paying attention to the kid.

    No parent has time for that.

    Bullshit. You need to pay attention to your kids, that’s a basic fucking part of parenting.

    And if the child is deliberately trying to hide some kind of illicit online activity, monitoring becomes an order of magnitude more difficult

    Maybe you should pay attention to your kid and not let them have unsupervised access to the whole Internet until they are ready for it?

    because, again, children have access to their own devices, school devices, their friends’ devices, library devices, and dozens of other devices a parent may not even know about and has no ability to monitor.

    Actually, you do have an ability to monitor who your kid spends time with, and when. It’s called parenting.

    I’m frankly horrified by the increasing requirements for real identity verification but let’s not pretend being a parent is the same as it was in the '70s.

    Let’s not pretend that phones and the Internet only started existing in 2026 too. I was a child in the 90’s, during the real “Wild West” days of the internet. If anything, parents have more tools and controls over what their child can access in 2026 than they did in 2000. There weren’t “child” cellphone controls when I got my first phone. My dad didn’t give me one until I both needed it, and was mature enough to have it. The parental controls on my old Window 2000 machine were laughably easy to defeat. Do you know what kept me out of trouble though? My dad paid attention to when I used the computer, what I was doing on there, and how much I was doing it.

    Either parent your kid, or don’t, but it is not my job to make sure your kid is coddled on the internet.

    • eli@lemmy.world
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      5 hours ago

      Either parent your kid, or don’t, but it is not my job to make sure your kid is coddled on the internet.

      As a recently new parent myself, your post is great. And as a IT nerd, your post is also infuriating.

      It is so beyond easy nowadays to monitor and restrict your child’s access to online content. Seeing the post you’re replying to just reminds me of everyone I’ve ever talked to that had X issue and their only response is “throw hands up in the air after trying nothing”.

      My kids are still too young to be reasoned with, but my wife and I agreed that:

      • No dedicated personal phone until middle school, and it ain’t gonna be some top of the line iphone
      • No “tablet kid” bullshit
      • No unfettered YouTube access

      So far our oldest loves finding our phones and can open the camera app from the lockscreen and she runs around taking photos. So we’ve been letting that slide…but we don’t unlock the phone, so it’s a compromise we’ve made as she LOVES taking photos and seeing photos, which I want to encourage. As for content watching we have a TV with Plex and if there’s something we approve of on YouTube and we want our kids to watch it(Ms. Rachel), then I download the YouTube video and put it on my Plex server. No ads, no algorithm auto played videos, just pure approved content. And we have classic cartoons(Rolie Polie Olie) and disney/pixar/ghibli movies, etc.

      Of course if your kid is at school with no phone but its recess and their friend has a phone with zero limits…yeah I can’t control that. But I can at least parent my kid to know that I don’t like that and I don’t want them to participate it.

      Also when they’re a bit older(5 or 6 years old) I plan on teaching them internet safety. Don’t post PII, don’t visit certain websites, always use an adblocker/ublock, only talk to people online that you know in real life, etc. I do plan on playing video games with them(if they have an interest) and I know that will eventually lead to online lobbies, but I am hoping to teach them in private Minecraft servers certain etiquette first and go from there.

      I’m both excited and terrified, but this is my job as a parent!

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        5 hours ago

        It sounds like you are doing the right things.

        Long ago, I had a co-worker ask me if fortnite was okay for their kid to play, and I said “I don’t know. Why don’t you go play fortnight with your kid this weekend and see for yourself” and it was like a switch flipped in their head. Playing games online with your kids is something you can do, both to see how people are interacting with them, and to see how they are interacting with other people. I think it is really important too, that kids (especially only-childs) see other people gaming online first hand, so they can see that the person on the other end could just as easily be their mom, or grandpa, or another human being, and not just a bot that they can antagonize without consequence.