• jve@lemmy.world
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    Jesus Christ that’s a wall of text. Did you even click the link?

    It’s literally a bunch of links to scientific journals.

    Maybe reflect on why it’s so important to you that your narrative of what the drug is, is being attacked from simple facts about how it works.

    You can’t even keep straight which thread you’re on.

    I haven’t argued anything resembling your straw man. I’ve only argued that you seem to suck as a researcher.

    Your inability to accept that erowid is more than a forum where people talk about their experiences, which you keep doubling down on, is a pretty good indicator of that.

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      Your links were irrelevant to your argument that erowid is a scientific resource.

      It’s not.

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        Your links were irrelevant to your argument that erowid is a scientific resource.

        It’s not.

        And where did I make that argument, again?

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          What exactly is your point ?

          First you say I’m not a “real” researcher because I didn’t give erowid as a resource.

          I said it’s not scientific. You say “uh yeah it is”. I explain why it’s not and what “scientific” means because a lot of people are actually mis informed on this. And I didn’t want to argue semantics.

          And then you say. That .

          Are you also incapable of following your own arguments ?

          What IS your argument then ?

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            I never said you weren’t a real researcher. I said you are a bad researcher.

            I said this because you claimed there was no place you could find a lot of links to scientific resources outside of Wikipedia. I provided a link to erowid, which has literally thousands of such articles.

            I also said this because of other comments of yours, but I never mentioned them.

            I said it’s not scientific. You say “uh yeah it is”

            No. I linked to pages with thousands of links to scientific journals. A link which you seemed not to have been aware of.

            Are you also incapable of following your own arguments ?

            I’m incapable of following what you think my argument is.

            What IS your argument then ?

            My argument is simply that all the evidence in the comments of this shitpost seem to indicate that you are not a good researcher.

            • daannii@lemmy.worldOP
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              Because erowid does not meet the definition of a resource.

              Again.

              Links to resources is not itself a scientific resource.

              I defined for you multiple times what “scientific resource” means.

              Unlike erowid, maps actually conducted scientific research.

              That’s why they are listed as a resource.

              Even Wikipedia has people review the material.

              Erowid does not.

              You are uninformed about what science is. You refuse to acknowledge my definition. You know literally nothing about my research capabilities. Maybe I’m terrible at research but you wouldnt know one way or the other.

              Which makes your opinion uninformed and therefore irrelevant.

              Erowid are opinions of people who use recreational drugs. It’s not written by scientist. Or researchers. And research can be misunderstood by lay people.

              As I said. Some of the information may be accurate. Doesn’t matter. It’s still not a scientific resource.

              I, as a scientist, would not tell people to use lemmy or reddit to learn about neuroscience. I definitely wouldn’t advise using erowid for the same reasons.

              Citing a resource does not make the text a resource.

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                I love how you’ve moved the goalpost on what a resource is. Erowid being the collection point of many valid, peer reviewed sources doesn’t meet your specific criteria, that ridiculous. That link went directly to a retirement of your argument and you just changed your argument. You are a bad researcher.

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                  I repeatedly clarify the definition.

                  Have any luck finding peer reviewed papers with erowid references. ?

                  Maybe it’s cause it’s not a scientific resource.

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                    Being a smartass is a bad look when so much of what you’ve confidently stated is incorrect.

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                Because erowid does not meet the definition of a resource.

                I never claimed it did. I already asked you once to show me where I said it did.

                You are uninformed about what science is. You refuse to acknowledge my definition.

                I haven’t even made a comment about your definition because it doesn’t have to do with anything I said. I accept your definition.

                You know literally nothing about my research capabilities. Maybe I’m terrible at research but you wouldnt know one way or the other.

                I know that you have made multiple claims that erowid is

                personal experiences of drug users

                Despite multiple links showing that it also has other things.

                It even has a collection of resources on the topic at hand. A collection that you claimed did not exist, prompting this whole conversation.

                This is pretty compelling evidence that you are unwilling or unable to change your incorrect thoughts on something that is both obvious and objective.

                I literally can’t think of a worse trait in a “scientist”

                EDIT: I guess being deliberately misleading is worse, but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are just bad, not malicious.