• KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml
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    21 hours ago

    Thanks for providing a graph that makes it difficult comparing socialist states with captialist ones. Your graph also doesn’t capture how fast life expectancy increased, it purposefully expands the timeframe to make it less significant. After the dissolution of the Soviet union Russia suffered the largest known drop in life expectancy in peace time

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      20 hours ago

      It has knobs, twiddle them or use the raw data.

      Yes - societal collapses tend to do that.

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        12 hours ago

        If you twiddle them, you’ll see exactly what the previous commenter is talking about. For example, try comparing socialist countries like Russia and Cuba to other countries of a similar level of development, like any random country in the Third World, or Africa, Asia, or South America that didn’t use imperialism in the 1800’s, to boost its development.

        You’ll see a 15-25 year difference in life expectancy during that time. And that’s without causing the awful conditions in the rest of the world that Europe and the US did by boosting their development through slavery, war, imperialism, and colonialism.

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          Russia started out in a terrible position (with no small thanks to the late abolishment of serfdom). But it isn’t particularly surprising that it improved when or as much as it did with the arrival of new technology, urbanisation trends, better sanitation and health care (especially pre-natal care), and of course its location. The world was changing fast, and russia was well primed to change with it.

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        Which knobs do you twiddle to out the Soviet bloc, China n all?

        And if you are talking about it without doing the twiddling when younshared it, aren’t you now just making s pasable reply?

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          If you want country specific data, you might have to explore the data sources itself.

          I was just trying to add context, because the huge jump in life expectancy was a global phenomenon, which casual readers may not know.

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            But Soviet Union, the related Sovket bloc, China, India(our version was more influenced by Fabian/Nehruvian socialism, not really Marxist) n all were influenced by communism/socialism and account for a large portion of the global population.

            In your graph, the World curve follows the Asia curve. So the global trend could likely be because of the communist influence itself.

            Without adding that context, your addition of context doesn’t really add context, right?