I want to like Wayland, I really do. I’m just having trouble adapting after using X11 for the last 20 years.
If anyone has any suggested reading for making the switch easier for someone who’s deeply ingrained in the X11 way of thinking, I’d super appreciate it.
Edit: Changed a word since none of you can focus on anything but that I used the wrong word.
There is no dogma. It would take you one day to switch. You haven’t because you’re comfortable and stubborn. Just admit that, stay on x11, and stop making yourself feel bad. You don’t have to switch.
Actually I do, since KDE and Gnome don’t support X11 anymore.
Dogma was the wrong word, I’d already figured that out, which you can see from the context of the other responses that came in 12-17 hours before yours. Dog piling is dumb, stop it.
I comfortable and stubborn, I also feel like a full idiot. Ive been using hardware that doesn’t work on Wayland for years, so when I booted up may compatible laptop and moved to set up a barebones sway install and encountered EGL errors and the display manager can’t even find my monitor I think im allowed go be a little bit bitchy about it When even after 15 years Wayland is immediately showing me it wasn’t ready for the mainstream. Sure it works when it’s already in place, but I’ve NEVER successfully rolled it out myself until yesterday.
I want to learn, really, genuinly. The Security issues in X11 are glaring, and I’m tired of using insecure display server Software from the late 80s that expects me to be on a mainframe.
I want to change. I could also roll X11 in my sleep. I have quite a bit of instinct to unlearn.
I don’t think there is any abstract answer for this question. If you open up most modern distributions Wayland is there and the system displays windoze. Sometimes, esp with flatpaks, it displays a wrong icon. it mostly does what it’s supposed to do which is to say doesn’t make me think of it’s existence ever.
Idk if Dogma was the right word, actually it was probably the complete wrong word. I just feel like a noob again and these error messages don’t mean anything to me.
I want to like Wayland, I really do. I’m just having trouble adapting after using X11 for the last 20 years.
If anyone has any suggested reading for making the switch easier for someone who’s deeply ingrained in the X11 way of thinking, I’d super appreciate it.
Edit: Changed a word since none of you can focus on anything but that I used the wrong word.
There is no dogma. It would take you one day to switch. You haven’t because you’re comfortable and stubborn. Just admit that, stay on x11, and stop making yourself feel bad. You don’t have to switch.
Actually I do, since KDE and Gnome don’t support X11 anymore.
Dogma was the wrong word, I’d already figured that out, which you can see from the context of the other responses that came in 12-17 hours before yours. Dog piling is dumb, stop it.
I comfortable and stubborn, I also feel like a full idiot. Ive been using hardware that doesn’t work on Wayland for years, so when I booted up may compatible laptop and moved to set up a barebones sway install and encountered EGL errors and the display manager can’t even find my monitor I think im allowed go be a little bit bitchy about it When even after 15 years Wayland is immediately showing me it wasn’t ready for the mainstream. Sure it works when it’s already in place, but I’ve NEVER successfully rolled it out myself until yesterday.
I want to learn, really, genuinly. The Security issues in X11 are glaring, and I’m tired of using insecure display server Software from the late 80s that expects me to be on a mainframe.
I want to change. I could also roll X11 in my sleep. I have quite a bit of instinct to unlearn.
I don’t think there is any abstract answer for this question. If you open up most modern distributions Wayland is there and the system displays windoze. Sometimes, esp with flatpaks, it displays a wrong icon. it mostly does what it’s supposed to do which is to say doesn’t make me think of it’s existence ever.
Idk what that means. For me, that stuff is just an implementation detail. What dogma is there?
Idk if Dogma was the right word, actually it was probably the complete wrong word. I just feel like a noob again and these error messages don’t mean anything to me.
I get that in the abstract! Even though I haven’t seen a single Wayland-related error message ever lol