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    13 hours ago

    Freedom no, that’s not a binary state.

    Free will? Yes. They have the capacity to react to their environment. The veal cow’s sadness and suffering are evidence of the free will to react.

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        6 hours ago

        I’d say they are choices, just not concious choices.

        You can demonstrate this by noticing the way different people have different reactions to the same experiences or events.

        Easiest to see in people because of the greater awareness and agency but it applies to cows too because they’re smart enough to have individual personalities

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            6 hours ago

            Yeah, totally.

            I laugh at my hayfever, through the sneezing and the coughing. My husband gets angry.

            So we have very different levels of “suffering” to the same experience.

            Good example, thanks.

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                2 hours ago

                I guess so. If you wanted to fake a reaction you could choose to, so the opposite must be true too, right? Choice happens at different levels, and most the choices we make happen at a level outside the conscious mind so quickly we wouldn’t register them as choices