The “bread” a lot of the world calls by that name does not even deserve that term. It should be called “toast”, cause the only thing it’s good for is getting toasted.
I can confidently say that north and south american, aswell as north central asian bread isn’t. Many others only have one specific local bread variety, which are good but do not constitute culinary bread cultures.
You insulting Central-Asian bread can only mean that you lack any taste in regard to bread, or that you actually haven’t eaten Central-Asian breads, and perhaps only tasted a stale lavash shipped to you over two weeks.
Or that the northern parts have been culturally genocided by russia and have not retained their original bread. The areas I listed all have some history of colonization.
Not only Russian language and foods have plenty of borrowings from Central Asia due to centuries of trade, but immigrants from the region settle in all the major Russian cities and bring their cuisine with them, both as street food and as restaurants specializing in cuisine of those countries. Dishes with tandyr bread are made in street shops. Multiple varieties of lavash and other bakery from Central Asia can be found in any supermarket in Russia.
But you also mention ‘north Central Asia’ specifically, which as far as I can tell is Kazakhstan. Well, Kazakhs were nomad herders for centuries and ate mainly meat and milk, only starting with cereals around eighteenth century, and particularly late nineteenth century when they began settling down more.
Pray tell, what original bread was ‘culturally genocided’ in these circumstances.
Kazakhstan is quite far west as asia goes. I was thinking more novosibirsk. Height of India. and even further east. Bangladesh is about the center, so western mongolia and krasnoyarsk.
Apfelstrudel is definitely not just a southern treat. Germknödel / Hefedampfnudeln are a regional (and delicious) food. Other typical south german foods would probably be schweinshaxe and several types of sausages specific to that region. Also all the austrian versions of foods such as palatschinken
Before you say that, maybe read the history of those treats first. Apfelstrudel is Austrian/Hungarian not even German. And Germknödel are likewise not common in Northen Germany but a Bavarian/Austrian dessert.
Northen German desserts are Rote Grütze, Windbeutel, Franzbrötchen and Pfannkuchen as well as fruitsoup with Klütchen. All those varying from region to region some being more prevalent in the East some in the west.
Okay im trying not to be rude here but before you accuse me of not knowing what i am taking about, perhaps read what i write at all. I know the impulse to be snarky is strong on the internet but still, at least put the minimum effort in.
I did not at any point refer to historical origins of any food. I stated where these kinds of food are being eaten these days; according to my experience. Strudel is a commonplace dessert around the holidays even here in Niedersachsen. Germknödel i specifically mentioned as a typical, southern regional food since it is a lot less common (although not entirely unknown) up here.
If you look at the history you can describe no food as German as the concept of a unified German state is very modern.
At best you could only describe foods regionally, but then that’s problematic because you are using terms that were applied after WW2 as many states were regrouped.
That is more of a southern thing if not Austrian
I don’t think there even is a true Pan-German dish. Everything is regional in germany. And sourhern germany is still germany.
I’d wager bread and Bratwurst are the main pan-German dishes with minor differences in style
Bread in general is a pan-world dish
The “bread” a lot of the world calls by that name does not even deserve that term. It should be called “toast”, cause the only thing it’s good for is getting toasted.
I can confidently say that north and south american, aswell as north central asian bread isn’t. Many others only have one specific local bread variety, which are good but do not constitute culinary bread cultures.
You insulting Central-Asian bread can only mean that you lack any taste in regard to bread, or that you actually haven’t eaten Central-Asian breads, and perhaps only tasted a stale lavash shipped to you over two weeks.
Or that the northern parts have been culturally genocided by russia and have not retained their original bread. The areas I listed all have some history of colonization.
Not only Russian language and foods have plenty of borrowings from Central Asia due to centuries of trade, but immigrants from the region settle in all the major Russian cities and bring their cuisine with them, both as street food and as restaurants specializing in cuisine of those countries. Dishes with tandyr bread are made in street shops. Multiple varieties of lavash and other bakery from Central Asia can be found in any supermarket in Russia.
But you also mention ‘north Central Asia’ specifically, which as far as I can tell is Kazakhstan. Well, Kazakhs were nomad herders for centuries and ate mainly meat and milk, only starting with cereals around eighteenth century, and particularly late nineteenth century when they began settling down more.
Pray tell, what original bread was ‘culturally genocided’ in these circumstances.
Kazakhstan is quite far west as asia goes. I was thinking more novosibirsk. Height of India. and even further east. Bangladesh is about the center, so western mongolia and krasnoyarsk.
Apfelstrudel is definitely not just a southern treat. Germknödel / Hefedampfnudeln are a regional (and delicious) food. Other typical south german foods would probably be schweinshaxe and several types of sausages specific to that region. Also all the austrian versions of foods such as palatschinken
Before you say that, maybe read the history of those treats first. Apfelstrudel is Austrian/Hungarian not even German. And Germknödel are likewise not common in Northen Germany but a Bavarian/Austrian dessert.
Northen German desserts are Rote Grütze, Windbeutel, Franzbrötchen and Pfannkuchen as well as fruitsoup with Klütchen. All those varying from region to region some being more prevalent in the East some in the west.
But you’re definetly wrong on your take.
Okay im trying not to be rude here but before you accuse me of not knowing what i am taking about, perhaps read what i write at all. I know the impulse to be snarky is strong on the internet but still, at least put the minimum effort in.
I did not at any point refer to historical origins of any food. I stated where these kinds of food are being eaten these days; according to my experience. Strudel is a commonplace dessert around the holidays even here in Niedersachsen. Germknödel i specifically mentioned as a typical, southern regional food since it is a lot less common (although not entirely unknown) up here.
If you look at the history you can describe no food as German as the concept of a unified German state is very modern.
At best you could only describe foods regionally, but then that’s problematic because you are using terms that were applied after WW2 as many states were regrouped.
Where does it stop?
Sorry Germany, you lose again🤷