thinks random offtopic mentions of all twitter users being bootlickers are destructive - yes
All I can read is “thinks it’s pointless to remind people that Twitter is a Nazi bar”
You can think it’s destructive all you want, but Twitter IS destructive, and the bootlickers who still frequent it are contributing to the destruction of our culture by fucking Nazis.
thinks it’s also useless virtue signaling and just a giant circlejerk - yes
Yet you’re virtue signalling in the opposite direction, effectively tacitly defending Twitter and it’s Nazi owner.
Pardon me if I shit on anyone with your opinion, because the last thing we need is a pro-twitter circle jerk. There are already enough Nazis in the Internet, we don’t need to accidentally pill more people because we want to cry about shit in the Internet.
I never liked this stupid idea.
If anti-Nazis start to hang out at a bar, does it become an anti-Nazi bar?
What about both Nazis & anti-Nazis: who wins?
It seems you privilege the presence of Nazis in deciding the kind of bar it is with no chance of anyone else showing up to decide the kind of bar they make it with their mere presence.
You privilege Nazis.
I don’t see anyone applying this logic to the wider web where we have Nazi sites: no one calls the web a Nazi bar.
Or the world for that matter.
Is your language a Nazi bar since some Nazis speak it?
Yet some people can regularly use x.com without ever running into Nazis just like the web or the world.
Nazi bar is classic bad company fallacy.
The most pernicious effect of this fallacy is it just surrenders entire platforms to Nazis & pretends retreating to ideological bubbles is morally virtuous.
By immaturely prioritizing comforting & unchallenging environments of social validation & self-righteousness maintained by silencing opposition over environments of unfettered public discourse that challenge us to develop intellectual depth & skill to actually debate serious disagreements, we erode critical thought, limit self-reflection & growth, and allow radicalization to propagate unchecked by exposure to deradicalizing influences & more intelligent perspectives.
We promote backslides into repressive extremism by being cowardly ninnies unwilling to counter words with reason & public opinion.
Have some conviction to stand up for your morality where it matters.
It’s not a nazi bar because there is the occasional nazi in it. It’s a nazi bar because it’s led by a nazi, applies nazi standards and moderation, and therefore attracts nazis.
The ‘stupid idea’ that people don’t want to be around Nazis? 🤔
If anti-Nazis start to hang out at a bar, does it become an anti-Nazi bar?
Muh both sides.
What about both Nazis & anti-Nazis: who wins? It seems you privilege the presence of Nazis in deciding the kind of bar it is with no chance of anyone else showing up to decide the kind of bar they make it with their mere presence. You privilege Nazis
Do I really have to explain to you why Nazis coming into a bar is different than anti-nazis coming into a bar to normal people? If so, I’ll have to go break out the big box of Crayola for you.
As to the rest, I’ve played this game before, and it’s not worth my time to argue with Nazis directly, especially when the platform is moderating against normal people. I’d rather see the platform user count fall and it fail vs giving them money and traffic. There are plenty of other social media sites out there, stop propping up the shitty ones.
This is actually a pretty good arguement. As for me virtue signaling I didn’t notice that, but even if that is true on some level, I don’t really think it’s hypocritical to remind people not to tell other people what to do, despite that being telling someone what to do.
Also some more refined thoughts about what I meant: I get that twitter is a cesspool, but everyone at least here knows that. I just thought that was a really weird topic to bring up on this post out of the blue. Yes everyone knows it’s run by the Nazi Man. It’s not very constructive to fixate on that in a community where everyone is already of that opinion, because it turns the conversation into a circlejerk. Yes obviously people will upvote someone calling twitter a collection of Nazi bootlickers on Lemmy and I’m tired of that. Because it is virtue signaling is what it is and everyone who upvotes it is also taking part in that and feeling good about it for some weird reason. It’s not something people should do, because that’s not the constructive part of criticizing Twitter or Elon, it’s just the echo chamber part of it where nothing of importance happens, instead people who are part of it will spend their time with reinforcing eachother’s already pretty well reinforced ideas.
Lemmy loves a comforting circle jerk socially validating their self-righteousness.
They also like rhetoric reminding us to punch Nazis, even though we know most of us are limp-wristed keyboard warriors just giving our justice boners sweet stimulation.
All I can read is “thinks it’s pointless to remind people that Twitter is a Nazi bar”
You can think it’s destructive all you want, but Twitter IS destructive, and the bootlickers who still frequent it are contributing to the destruction of our culture by fucking Nazis.
Yet you’re virtue signalling in the opposite direction, effectively tacitly defending Twitter and it’s Nazi owner.
Pardon me if I shit on anyone with your opinion, because the last thing we need is a pro-twitter circle jerk. There are already enough Nazis in the Internet, we don’t need to accidentally pill more people because we want to cry about shit in the Internet.
I never liked this stupid idea. If anti-Nazis start to hang out at a bar, does it become an anti-Nazi bar? What about both Nazis & anti-Nazis: who wins? It seems you privilege the presence of Nazis in deciding the kind of bar it is with no chance of anyone else showing up to decide the kind of bar they make it with their mere presence. You privilege Nazis.
I don’t see anyone applying this logic to the wider web where we have Nazi sites: no one calls the web a Nazi bar. Or the world for that matter. Is your language a Nazi bar since some Nazis speak it? Yet some people can regularly use x.com without ever running into Nazis just like the web or the world. Nazi bar is classic bad company fallacy.
The most pernicious effect of this fallacy is it just surrenders entire platforms to Nazis & pretends retreating to ideological bubbles is morally virtuous. By immaturely prioritizing comforting & unchallenging environments of social validation & self-righteousness maintained by silencing opposition over environments of unfettered public discourse that challenge us to develop intellectual depth & skill to actually debate serious disagreements, we erode critical thought, limit self-reflection & growth, and allow radicalization to propagate unchecked by exposure to deradicalizing influences & more intelligent perspectives. We promote backslides into repressive extremism by being cowardly ninnies unwilling to counter words with reason & public opinion. Have some conviction to stand up for your morality where it matters.
It’s not a nazi bar because there is the occasional nazi in it. It’s a nazi bar because it’s led by a nazi, applies nazi standards and moderation, and therefore attracts nazis.
The ‘stupid idea’ that people don’t want to be around Nazis? 🤔
Muh both sides.
Do I really have to explain to you why Nazis coming into a bar is different than anti-nazis coming into a bar to normal people? If so, I’ll have to go break out the big box of Crayola for you.
As to the rest, I’ve played this game before, and it’s not worth my time to argue with Nazis directly, especially when the platform is moderating against normal people. I’d rather see the platform user count fall and it fail vs giving them money and traffic. There are plenty of other social media sites out there, stop propping up the shitty ones.
This is actually a pretty good arguement. As for me virtue signaling I didn’t notice that, but even if that is true on some level, I don’t really think it’s hypocritical to remind people not to tell other people what to do, despite that being telling someone what to do.
Also some more refined thoughts about what I meant: I get that twitter is a cesspool, but everyone at least here knows that. I just thought that was a really weird topic to bring up on this post out of the blue. Yes everyone knows it’s run by the Nazi Man. It’s not very constructive to fixate on that in a community where everyone is already of that opinion, because it turns the conversation into a circlejerk. Yes obviously people will upvote someone calling twitter a collection of Nazi bootlickers on Lemmy and I’m tired of that. Because it is virtue signaling is what it is and everyone who upvotes it is also taking part in that and feeling good about it for some weird reason. It’s not something people should do, because that’s not the constructive part of criticizing Twitter or Elon, it’s just the echo chamber part of it where nothing of importance happens, instead people who are part of it will spend their time with reinforcing eachother’s already pretty well reinforced ideas.
Lemmy loves a comforting circle jerk socially validating their self-righteousness. They also like rhetoric reminding us to punch Nazis, even though we know most of us are limp-wristed keyboard warriors just giving our justice boners sweet stimulation.
What is it about people disliking nazis that upsets you?