just doesn’t seem organic. looking like color revolutions or something.
like last time in mexico, when it was actually conservative boomers.
kind of hard to believe “gen z” is toppling entire governments out of nowhere, without any discernible strategy or barely any news about it. no revolution worked like that.
Oh fuck off with that Kremlin propaganda of colour revolutions. Even if Gen Z protests has external influence, what is so bad about promoting democracy and end of government corruption? As bad as Western interference has been in the past, the colour revolutions tend to be influenced by soft power and no right wing elements. Would you call the French Revolution a colour revolution because it was influenced by the American revolution? Or the overthrow of Chinese Imperial dynasty by Sun Yat-sen because it was influenced by European liberalism? But I bet you aren’t saying anything about Russian-influenced far right movements because you’re a useful idiot for Kremlin!
Kremlin is trying to demonize the colour revolutions because it will undermine their own personal power. It was Putin who helped Lukashenko violently put down protests in Belarus and those in Kazakhstan. If democratic change happens in Russia and their satellite states, their own kleptocratic regimes will decline and their own hold to power. That’s why they demonize colour revolutions despite being organic. Autocratic governments and sock puppets like yourself do everything in their power to de-legitimise grassroots movements that undermine the ruling class’ hold to power.
And not every revolution you don’t like is CIA-coup. Oh right, nuance doesn’t exist with .ml. Of course it is in your interest and your pay masters to muddy the water. Again, even if there was external influence on colour revolutions, where is the indication that there is right wing authoritarian elements on these revolutions like before? Oh wait, for the typical tankies, the only legitimate form of revolutions is if it’s a violent one led by your OWN authoritarian and imperial ideals. As expected, you haven’t even called out the right wing movements funded by Kremlin.
i don’t know that much about bulgaria, and i’d guess you don’t either. but it does look off from the all times the exact same thing was reported elsewhere overnight too. and on other places i know a little more about.
i don’t claim to know exactly wtf is happening. you are the one who seem to be obsessed with making this about “kremlin” instead for some reason. i don’t see any connection at all.
mexico had one just like these but turns out it was boomer far-righters in a weird grift, one piece flags and all, media calling it “gen-z”. nepal has an uncertain as fuck future last i looked, with a previously unknown leader. and this one looks just as weird while looking exactly the same somehow, but on the other side of the globe.
i always question this every time these things pop up, but it seems nobody else has any idea either (or some anger about me even daring to question it).
The previous Nepali government, before being overthrown, literally stole tax payers money and flaunted their wealth and then tried to violently put down peaceful protestors, until people fought back and stormed the palace.
You are just anti-democratic. You will just call everything a CIA sponsored coup or colour revolutions except for the illiberal ones you personally approve of.
if you are so offended by my mere suggestion your country just might have done something it commonly does, or coming up with a whole rant about how bad some other country is despite your century-long history of doing the very things you are so mad at them for, you should look inside a bit instead of being so mad at me for considering it.
you should heed my advice of studying your own imperial history. read up a bit on that link i sent you. have a nice day.
you accuse me of something you need to do. study your own colonial history a little bit, and you will notice a pattern of meddling and regime change. also don’t believe every news article you read a face value, and you will develop your fabled critical thinking.
its just facts, don’t be offended by facts, and don’t be ignorant of refusing to accept them.
Buddy, you’re the one parroting authoritarian propaganda on a daily basis and so you’re the one carrying the socio-economic and cognitive consequences of that choice for the rest of your life. Nothing I say will disturb you as much as you already disturb yourself. So might as well enjoy yourintellectuall demise (I know I am) and entertain the rest of us while you’re at it.
like last time in mexico, when it was actually conservative boomers.
Conservatives have been known to infiltrate and create chaos, and discredit actual protests like… check notes, everywhere…
kind of hard to believe “gen z” is toppling entire governments out of nowhere
They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Not the generation that wants to ride out a tide of depressive society, and say well, this is what is is, because the future looks so very dim right now.
without any discernible strategy or barely any news about it. no revolution worked like that.
That’s because sudden unpredictable outburst are harder to contain.
Haven’t you wanted to lash out to your government corruption? I hope it comes to a country near you.
that never goes well without a politically engaged populace, and solid demands + plans for if they eventually succeed. we usually at least hear about it when it’s the case. i learned that lesson recently in my own country.
conservatives infiltrate and create chaos
that’s what i was thinking, or along these lines. i know the mexican government was famously progressive and well received at that time. what do you think of this one?
Not the generation that wants to ride out a tide of depressive society
i agree that’s common for the younger generations to feel the squeeze of a huge crisis first, but i’m questioning that premise entirely. i don’t think it’s necessarily young people, or necessarily an organic movement. for the reasons i posted here already, and the fact the whole reporting on it looks very propagand-y. i’m on the same track as you though, far-right fascists might be onto something.
I hope it comes to a country near you.
it actually came to mine in 2013-ish, not very dissimilar to how you describe it. sudden massive lashing out about generic but real and widespread problems like “corruption” and “bad living standards”, without any deeper understanding or any real demands.
it was coopted and developed into fascism. cue my skepticism.
If you look at “traditional” attempts at color revolution, most have failed miserably and the sponsors usually resorts to sending money and weapons by the shipload to the first wannabe dictator that showed up.
To me, these gen-z revolutions and protests looks more like corrupt regimes struggling as russian, american and other foreign money dries up. Sort of like a lite version of Syria some time ago.
that’s an interesting thought and that is how it usually goes, but i would not consider either nepal or mexico as needing money from either russia or usa besides normal trade relations. though at least the nepalese government seemed very corrupt indeed, which explains the outburst there.
i clarified my post. not reasons (because we all have many reasons to revolt) but a clear strategy, demands or even much information about it. you’d think a global coordination of that scale would show up at least a little bit.
not reasons (because we all have many reasons to revolt) but a clear strategy, demands or even much information
Such a typical Marxist Leninist bubble view if you are genuine. PLENTY of protests and revolts throughout history happened spontaneously at grassroots level. And the most common reason is being against government ineptitude and demanding to meet basic material needs of the public. The French Revolution, Singing revolution, the 1848 liberal revolution, Occupy Wall street, and even the Tea Party movement are ad hoc. If you actually read world history then you would not be such an antidemocratic simp.
People are in their own information bubble even before social media became a thing.
Marxist Leninists obsess over theory, but when they are challenged with empirical information, they will revert back to their script “just read theory bro!”
just doesn’t seem organic. looking like color revolutions or something.
like last time in mexico, when it was actually conservative boomers.
kind of hard to believe “gen z” is toppling entire governments out of nowhere, without any discernible strategy or barely any news about it. no revolution worked like that.
Oh fuck off with that Kremlin propaganda of colour revolutions. Even if Gen Z protests has external influence, what is so bad about promoting democracy and end of government corruption? As bad as Western interference has been in the past, the colour revolutions tend to be influenced by soft power and no right wing elements. Would you call the French Revolution a colour revolution because it was influenced by the American revolution? Or the overthrow of Chinese Imperial dynasty by Sun Yat-sen because it was influenced by European liberalism? But I bet you aren’t saying anything about Russian-influenced far right movements because you’re a useful idiot for Kremlin!
Kremlin is trying to demonize the colour revolutions because it will undermine their own personal power. It was Putin who helped Lukashenko violently put down protests in Belarus and those in Kazakhstan. If democratic change happens in Russia and their satellite states, their own kleptocratic regimes will decline and their own hold to power. That’s why they demonize colour revolutions despite being organic. Autocratic governments and sock puppets like yourself do everything in their power to de-legitimise grassroots movements that undermine the ruling class’ hold to power.
tell that to a third worlder (you are). take a long hard look at your history of sponsoring regime change in the entire world. here is a quick look.
please don’t be unhinged. not everything you disagree with is russian propaganda.
And not every revolution you don’t like is CIA-coup. Oh right, nuance doesn’t exist with .ml. Of course it is in your interest and your pay masters to muddy the water. Again, even if there was external influence on colour revolutions, where is the indication that there is right wing authoritarian elements on these revolutions like before? Oh wait, for the typical tankies, the only legitimate form of revolutions is if it’s a violent one led by your OWN authoritarian and imperial ideals. As expected, you haven’t even called out the right wing movements funded by Kremlin.
i don’t know that much about bulgaria, and i’d guess you don’t either. but it does look off from the all times the exact same thing was reported elsewhere overnight too. and on other places i know a little more about.
i don’t claim to know exactly wtf is happening. you are the one who seem to be obsessed with making this about “kremlin” instead for some reason. i don’t see any connection at all.
If you don’t know anything about what’s going on, what grounds are you basing these movements being suspicious off of?
mexico had one just like these but turns out it was boomer far-righters in a weird grift, one piece flags and all, media calling it “gen-z”. nepal has an uncertain as fuck future last i looked, with a previously unknown leader. and this one looks just as weird while looking exactly the same somehow, but on the other side of the globe.
i always question this every time these things pop up, but it seems nobody else has any idea either (or some anger about me even daring to question it).
Boomers aren’t Gen Z.
The previous Nepali government, before being overthrown, literally stole tax payers money and flaunted their wealth and then tried to violently put down peaceful protestors, until people fought back and stormed the palace.
You are just anti-democratic. You will just call everything a CIA sponsored coup or colour revolutions except for the illiberal ones you personally approve of.
if you are so offended by my mere suggestion your country just might have done something it commonly does, or coming up with a whole rant about how bad some other country is despite your century-long history of doing the very things you are so mad at them for, you should look inside a bit instead of being so mad at me for considering it.
you should heed my advice of studying your own imperial history. read up a bit on that link i sent you. have a nice day.
“I am biased to look the other way.”
look the other way from what exactly.
don’t you have better places to let out your hate? or any reason at all we should be talking about russia in a thread about bulgaria?
“I will call out Western interference but I won’t call out Russia propping up illiberal regimes because I am in Kremlin’s pocket.”
“i will obsessively call out someone else where its not related because i can’t confront my own country’s doings”
see? i can be an ass too, just like you!
Stop consuming propaganda and start developing a capacity for critical thinking and you’ll see things differently, Mr. CoLOuR ReVoLUtiOnS
you accuse me of something you need to do. study your own colonial history a little bit, and you will notice a pattern of meddling and regime change. also don’t believe every news article you read a face value, and you will develop your fabled critical thinking.
its just facts, don’t be offended by facts, and don’t be ignorant of refusing to accept them.
Buddy, you’re the one parroting authoritarian propaganda on a daily basis and so you’re the one carrying the socio-economic and cognitive consequences of that choice for the rest of your life. Nothing I say will disturb you as much as you already disturb yourself. So might as well enjoy yourintellectuall demise (I know I am) and entertain the rest of us while you’re at it.
Now dance!
Looks like fed up population more than anything
Conservatives have been known to infiltrate and create chaos, and discredit actual protests like… check notes, everywhere…
They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Not the generation that wants to ride out a tide of depressive society, and say well, this is what is is, because the future looks so very dim right now.
That’s because sudden unpredictable outburst are harder to contain.
Haven’t you wanted to lash out to your government corruption? I hope it comes to a country near you.
that never goes well without a politically engaged populace, and solid demands + plans for if they eventually succeed. we usually at least hear about it when it’s the case. i learned that lesson recently in my own country.
that’s what i was thinking, or along these lines. i know the mexican government was famously progressive and well received at that time. what do you think of this one?
i agree that’s common for the younger generations to feel the squeeze of a huge crisis first, but i’m questioning that premise entirely. i don’t think it’s necessarily young people, or necessarily an organic movement. for the reasons i posted here already, and the fact the whole reporting on it looks very propagand-y. i’m on the same track as you though, far-right fascists might be onto something.
it actually came to mine in 2013-ish, not very dissimilar to how you describe it. sudden massive lashing out about generic but real and widespread problems like “corruption” and “bad living standards”, without any deeper understanding or any real demands.
it was coopted and developed into fascism. cue my skepticism.
If you look at “traditional” attempts at color revolution, most have failed miserably and the sponsors usually resorts to sending money and weapons by the shipload to the first wannabe dictator that showed up. To me, these gen-z revolutions and protests looks more like corrupt regimes struggling as russian, american and other foreign money dries up. Sort of like a lite version of Syria some time ago.
that’s an interesting thought and that is how it usually goes, but i would not consider either nepal or mexico as needing money from either russia or usa besides normal trade relations. though at least the nepalese government seemed very corrupt indeed, which explains the outburst there.
The reasons are quite discernible.
The complete silence of the powwrs that be abput the whereabouts of the lost weapon “Pluton”?
i clarified my post. not reasons (because we all have many reasons to revolt) but a clear strategy, demands or even much information about it. you’d think a global coordination of that scale would show up at least a little bit.
Such a typical Marxist Leninist bubble view if you are genuine. PLENTY of protests and revolts throughout history happened spontaneously at grassroots level. And the most common reason is being against government ineptitude and demanding to meet basic material needs of the public. The French Revolution, Singing revolution, the 1848 liberal revolution, Occupy Wall street, and even the Tea Party movement are ad hoc. If you actually read world history then you would not be such an antidemocratic simp.
what all theory, no praxis, no history does to a person you see all over lemmy…
the thinking becomes rigid and stale
People are in their own information bubble even before social media became a thing.
Marxist Leninists obsess over theory, but when they are challenged with empirical information, they will revert back to their script “just read theory bro!”