• brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    You aren’t talking to AI, you’re talking to chatbots with no memory, nor ability to change their internal state; you don’t have to worry about that. Honestly its a waste of your keystrokes and brainpower, as you are shouting into a void.

    …If you want to attack it, try getting it to actually do something (like find me an item with X requirements), then give feedback that its wrong if theres a button for it. That does get registered.

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      14 hours ago

      I know I’m the old man on their porch yelling at them dang kids but it feels good. But I’ll do that next time. Ask it to do things then tell it it’s wrong. Nice.

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        14 hours ago

        Don’t tell it its wrong, leave feedback in a seperate box.

        Not in its chat, but with a feedback button.


        Let me emphasize: the LLM remembers nothing. Amazon does not care about an ‘adversarial’ response. All cussing it out possibly does is factor that into your Amazon ad profile, and not to your benefit.

        And if you tell the bot it did wrong, it does not care. It doesn’t factor into anything.

        But if you legitimately ask it to help you buy something, and it gets that wrong, and you leave dedicated feedback, that registers for Amazon. It tells them their chatbot isn’t working, but actually frustrating customers trying to use it to buy something. That’s how you tank the program.

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          14 hours ago

          But when do I get to be the professor telling the AI to fuck off like the meme if I do it your way?

          Also I’m sure at this point all my conversion’s are being fed back in to train the next one. And yes I do know it has no memory or feelings or didn’t care and I’m sure Amazon cares about my feedback as much as Microsoft does. At this point like Microsoft I rather tell it to fuck off so the emotional creature that I am can feel better about myself without telling a real person to fuck off. Then do everything I can to avoid it and when the bean counter goes to the higher up and says no one is using it. Maybe just maybe they will see it as a waist of money and ditch it just like Facebook’s metaverse or whatever it was.

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            13 hours ago

            Maybe just maybe they will see it as a waist of money and ditch it just like Facebook’s metaverse or whatever it was.

            This is what I’m trying to tell you! The only way to do that is tell them it doesn’t work for the intended purpose: helping customers sell Amazon stuff. They don’t care about people messing around with the bot, that’s trivially discarded noise.

            Also I’m sure at this point all my conversion’s are being fed back in to train the next one.

            It is not. It is quickly classified (by a machine) and thrown out.

            If you want to fuck with the training set, get the bot to help you do something simple, then when it actually works, flag it as an error. Then cuss it out if you like. This either:

            • Pollutes the training set with a success as a “bad” response.

            • Creates a lot of work for data crunchers to look for these kind of “feedback lies.”

            And it’s probably the former.

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              13 hours ago

              You seem passionate, go fight that good fight against skynet. But I guess some sarcasm falls victim to Poe’s law. You go do you I’m going to do me. As I said I do it feel better about my self as an irrational feeling human. Just like when you stub your toe on the side of the coach. Cussing and yelling doesn’t do any thing but it feels good. I’m not going to go out of my way to try and poison it. It’s all a little anecdote and the irrational side of me that I do and thought I’d share because I am acting like the meme. Haha funny right.