I will concede that not every obscure feature has been kept but the vast majority of users are now better served by wayland compositors. I have no idea what you mean by “project”, but if they had no concerns for backwards compatibility, then XWayland wouldn’t exist.
Stopping work on X11 because it’s been an unmaintainable mess for ages doesn’t really count as “forcing” anything upon anyone. I won’t pretend that Wayland protocol development hasn’t seen plenty of disagreements, but it is still a collaborative process.
Your disagreements seem fairly vague to me and I can’t help but think that the “pigheaded” label is somewhat ironic, after your first paragraph.
The “forcing” was in making Wayland shit, rather than replacing it with something with at least the same capabilities as X11 (even if they are now guarded by granular permissions).
I am not better served. I am now in the quite new position where I’d have to rewrite some of my own personal software if i simply just decided to change DE
see that’s the problem. Everyone’s first response is that it’s a niche problem. For every complaint. So what? It’s a new problem is the point, however niche.
Btw, this is not a niche problem. Some big projects have explicitly said they have had this very problem
Let me rephrase that: it sounds like a niche problem to have for an end user. It also doesn’t sound like a fair complaint, because no long-term replacement to X was ever going to be drop-in the way you seem to expect.
I am not referring to it being a drop-in replacement. I’m referring to the fact that there are multiple supposedly-interoperable-but-not-really non-drop-in replacements is the problem. And it does affect the end user if devs find it difficult to adopt (as many do).
Wayland is designed for ease of development for wayland designers. “We’re just a protocol, the coding is left to anyone else” is the easiest way to write code. Because they decided not to write any at all.
I will concede that not every obscure feature has been kept but the vast majority of users are now better served by wayland compositors. I have no idea what you mean by “project”, but if they had no concerns for backwards compatibility, then XWayland wouldn’t exist.
Stopping work on X11 because it’s been an unmaintainable mess for ages doesn’t really count as “forcing” anything upon anyone. I won’t pretend that Wayland protocol development hasn’t seen plenty of disagreements, but it is still a collaborative process.
Your disagreements seem fairly vague to me and I can’t help but think that the “pigheaded” label is somewhat ironic, after your first paragraph.
There is currently one major Usecase that does not work yet with Wayland. Multiwindow positioning through the application.
In science, and some stuff like KICaf or Gimp use this feature excessively. And as someones that relies on KiCad, it is a fucking pain.
But, solutions are being discussed and implementations will follow
The “forcing” was in making Wayland shit, rather than replacing it with something with at least the same capabilities as X11 (even if they are now guarded by granular permissions).
I am not better served. I am now in the quite new position where I’d have to rewrite some of my own personal software if i simply just decided to change DE
That sounds like a fairly niche problem to have.
see that’s the problem. Everyone’s first response is that it’s a niche problem. For every complaint. So what? It’s a new problem is the point, however niche.
Btw, this is not a niche problem. Some big projects have explicitly said they have had this very problem
Let me rephrase that: it sounds like a niche problem to have for an end user. It also doesn’t sound like a fair complaint, because no long-term replacement to X was ever going to be drop-in the way you seem to expect.
I am not referring to it being a drop-in replacement. I’m referring to the fact that there are multiple supposedly-interoperable-but-not-really non-drop-in replacements is the problem. And it does affect the end user if devs find it difficult to adopt (as many do).
Wayland is designed for ease of development for wayland designers. “We’re just a protocol, the coding is left to anyone else” is the easiest way to write code. Because they decided not to write any at all.