• Eager Eagle@lemmy.world
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    ok, so either ~1% figure already discounts this energy due to merge-mining, or it doesn’t discount and the effective energy consumption of Doge is lower. The original point remains: Bitcoin is pretty much the energetic problem of crypto, .

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      asic miners are the problem with crypto’s energy consumption. nothing is wrong the the bitcoin protocol, which is functioning as expected.

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        it’s just that PoW is trash when applied at scale for encouraging energy use to create consensus - and that’s by design - so indeed, “there’s something wrong with the protocol”.

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          you seem to understand that the protocol can function without the massive power use but you seem to want to blame the protocol for the power use.

          at this point, we have to agree to disagree.

          have a nice day

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            the protocol can function without the massive power use

            At scale no, it can’t and that’ll never be the case because at any given time, someone will be willing to put more energy (work) into it to gain an advantage - so as long as there’s demand for that coin, PoW will always demand huge amounts of energy.

            And yes, I do blame the consensus protocol because ultimately that’s the culprit of causing this incentive to waste energy and targeting miners or any other actors is an utter waste of time.

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                meaning PoW is not such a problem when applied to create consensus in local or niche blockchains as the difficulty (and energy consumption) is orders of magnitude lower. For widely used coins it’s a terrible choice.

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              > at any given time, someone will be willing to put more energy (work) into it to gain an advantage

              that’s not a problem with the protocol. that’s a problem with people. that’s like saying that houses are a problem because people rent them to exploit the working class. the problem isn’t the house, it’s the people who try to buy all the houses.

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                I never said there’s a problem with the protocol - that’s indeed, working as intended. There IS a problem of using the protocol (at scale) though, because it creates this unsustainable environment.

                As another comment put it: PoW is the coal burning of this era.

                Using it for your bbq is no big deal. Using it to generate energy for half the world is awful.

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                  >There IS a problem of using the protocol (at scale) though, because it creates this
                  unsustainable environment.

                  this isn’t true. the protocol is still functioning fine. the problem is how people are using the protocol.

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                    And there’s no way to use it so that it doesn’t consume huge amounts of energy because of greed and because of how computers work.

                    So very much a problem of using PoW.