While not entirely incorrect this is a reductive view of the situation.
I dont blame you for that, but Id like to provide additional information to anyone else who sees this.
I think the most important thing to do up front is stop talking about Ukraine as if it is a monolithic entity. The nation of Ukraine, like all others, is simply lines on a map. The actual people in that nation comprise various groups.
There are a few different ones of relevance in this situation. Firstly the people in Luhansk, and Donetsk. These are the regions in the eastern most part of Ukraine. Another group of importance is the Azov Battalion. This is a western trained and backed paramilitary organization that is openly neo-nazi.
Prior to the Russian Invasion the Azov Battalion was engaged in an ethnic cleansing campaign in Luhansk and Donetsk. This is a fact.
The Luhansk, and Donetsk regions had no real way to defend themselves. They had been appealing to Russia for assistance for a long time. Russia had ignored them. It could have intervened to stop the crimes against humanity being committed at any time. It didnt.
Instead it waited until it had its own selfish reasons for wanting to invade Ukraine, and used the liberation of Donetsk, and Luhansk as an excuse to do so.
Obviously given this context Russia is not the “good guys”. I dont think OP would claim they are.
Neither are the Saudis good guys. But if they were to invade Israel for selfish reasons and a byproduct of that invasion was the liberation of Gaza i think we could all agree that would be a good thing. Despite the Saudis simply acting in self interest to gain more land.
Now this still doesnt get into every minute detail. Like the coup in Ukraine prior to the war, or Russias actions during the invasion. But it does provide enough context to bridge the viewpoints of yourself and the OP i think.
That is to say, Russia is invading Ukraine for selfish and imperialist reasons. Yet their invasion is having the byproduct of bringing to an end an ethnic cleansing campaign.
So when the OP says “Theyre lying about Ukraine” its to point out how the US acts as if they had no hand in this situation. As if they werent supporting the Azov Battalion as it attempted ethnic cleansing. And how they act as if Ukraine is a monolithic entity. As if all Ukrainians were unhappy about Russias invasion. Which is very much not the case.
Nobody is claiming Russia to be the good guys. But if our goal is to at some point in the future have a Ukraine where nobody is being killed by violent military action then we must be aware of this nuance.
The same goes for when we interpret news on the ongoing war. Its important we are all aware of these things.
Sadly though to include all this in the meme would not a good meme make.
Oh, the US for sure is involved. I don’t remember the exact year but they literally backed a leader that was pro US like 12 years ago. That directly affected trade with Russia.
And this area of land we are talking about is pretty much Ukraines economy. The majority of manufacturing happens there. Convenient that Russia has loyalists there.
But let’s not get into the weeds, my position is still what it is and it’s been in my bio for a while now:
Russias imperialist, Ukraine is full of Nazis, and the US started it. Stop the war.
While not entirely incorrect this is a reductive view of the situation.
I dont blame you for that, but Id like to provide additional information to anyone else who sees this.
I think the most important thing to do up front is stop talking about Ukraine as if it is a monolithic entity. The nation of Ukraine, like all others, is simply lines on a map. The actual people in that nation comprise various groups.
There are a few different ones of relevance in this situation. Firstly the people in Luhansk, and Donetsk. These are the regions in the eastern most part of Ukraine. Another group of importance is the Azov Battalion. This is a western trained and backed paramilitary organization that is openly neo-nazi.
Prior to the Russian Invasion the Azov Battalion was engaged in an ethnic cleansing campaign in Luhansk and Donetsk. This is a fact.
The Luhansk, and Donetsk regions had no real way to defend themselves. They had been appealing to Russia for assistance for a long time. Russia had ignored them. It could have intervened to stop the crimes against humanity being committed at any time. It didnt.
Instead it waited until it had its own selfish reasons for wanting to invade Ukraine, and used the liberation of Donetsk, and Luhansk as an excuse to do so.
Obviously given this context Russia is not the “good guys”. I dont think OP would claim they are.
Neither are the Saudis good guys. But if they were to invade Israel for selfish reasons and a byproduct of that invasion was the liberation of Gaza i think we could all agree that would be a good thing. Despite the Saudis simply acting in self interest to gain more land.
Now this still doesnt get into every minute detail. Like the coup in Ukraine prior to the war, or Russias actions during the invasion. But it does provide enough context to bridge the viewpoints of yourself and the OP i think.
That is to say, Russia is invading Ukraine for selfish and imperialist reasons. Yet their invasion is having the byproduct of bringing to an end an ethnic cleansing campaign.
So when the OP says “Theyre lying about Ukraine” its to point out how the US acts as if they had no hand in this situation. As if they werent supporting the Azov Battalion as it attempted ethnic cleansing. And how they act as if Ukraine is a monolithic entity. As if all Ukrainians were unhappy about Russias invasion. Which is very much not the case.
Nobody is claiming Russia to be the good guys. But if our goal is to at some point in the future have a Ukraine where nobody is being killed by violent military action then we must be aware of this nuance.
The same goes for when we interpret news on the ongoing war. Its important we are all aware of these things.
Sadly though to include all this in the meme would not a good meme make.
Oh, the US for sure is involved. I don’t remember the exact year but they literally backed a leader that was pro US like 12 years ago. That directly affected trade with Russia.
And this area of land we are talking about is pretty much Ukraines economy. The majority of manufacturing happens there. Convenient that Russia has loyalists there.
But let’s not get into the weeds, my position is still what it is and it’s been in my bio for a while now:
Russias imperialist, Ukraine is full of Nazis, and the US started it. Stop the war.