what confuses me a lot about america is how a lot of people will defend the AI’s “right” to steal training data to learn (education)
when there’s millions of students out there going into life long debt to go to collage, and none of the same americans are fighting for their right to learn for free
I am only critical that those models are in the hand of corporations who try to profit from it. Copyrights are mainly a tool to be wielded by the powerful: see Sony trying to disconnect ISP accounts en masse or media giants suing people into oblivion, Nintendo fucking over their fanbase again and again and so on.
The datasets should belong to an UN organisation like UNESCO, corporations/NGOs/people should be able to licence them to build their models (ev. with “community models” provided free for personal use), and the licence fees should be used to subsidize culture. This plus an UBI would make sure that artists don’t have to starve, corporations can use them to try to make a profit, and everyone else can use them to create for their own or their communities use. Artists that don’t want to go into the datasets have that right too, but also won’t have access to that financial pool (this shouldn’t be the only pool).
Under capitalism, copyrights are a necessary tool for people to get paid for their labour in some cases. That’s not the most common usecase for copyrights, but a needed one until we get a better system. Fuck copyrights being used for corporate greed though. Somehow, more people are against the former than the latter, which is super wrong. But it’s not a reason to be against the former in addition to being against the latter.
The fastest fix is a very short copyright window, say 5-10 years. Given the fact that every movie release makes back it’s entire production budget in 1 week or is immediately deemed a flop, 5-10 years is plenty of time to mine an IP for boatloads of cash, plus once anyone can make a star wars movie or book or whatever, the real value shifts instead to the brand that produces it. New brands can make a name for themselves respinnong “old” IPs and making far better content than the original studio would’ve been willing to risk, and big brands can focus more on how important it is to view the only official versions of a given IP based on their branding.
If we just got rid of copyright, we would just see Disney flipping other people’s work without credit, just like how genAI grifters try to use it currently.
1st, I’m not Murrican, I’m German.
2nd the right to free education is one of the most important human right and the entire world is paying the price right now for neglecting this right over the past decades
3rd AI is here to stay. It’s far to impactfull as a technology. Whether we like it or not. So we either create an Environment where it can thrive within certain rules or we watch as others use it to completely overtake us.
ok? and i’m polish, i was talking about americans.
AI is not just ethically dubious, it’d also outright harmful for the already strained environment we live in. If AI stays - it won’t be here for long, mostly because there won’t be anoyone to ask it to generate giant hentai tits anymore
Machine Learning has revolutionized protein folding and plenty of other sciences. LLMs have increased programmer productivity (even if it isn’t perfect yet). Image/video/song generating was something we thought to be impossible a couple of years ago.
If the only news you get about AI comes from the “Fuck AI” community, you won’t ever get accurate info.
Yes companies put AI in a bunch of shitty things that don’t need it. But to claim AI doesn’t do anything useful is just plain wrong.
Machine Learning has revolutionized protein folding and plenty of other sciences.
I actually work in the field of protein crystallography. Contrary to newspaper reporting by people who don’t understand the field and just repeat what the people who developed the tool say about it, it has made just a small improvement to analysing experimental data which we could have easily made using traditional algorithmic approaches with a similar amount of resources spent. And this is one of its biggest legitimate impacts - it absolutely hasn’t “revolutionised plenty of other sciences”, or you’d be able to list more things than just alphafold.
It doesn’t improve programmer productivity, it increases the lines of code created, which is a really bad metric for productivity. There is good evidence that its use is already leading to increased code churn, that means someone is having to go back and revisit the additional new errors introduced by AI tools, which is obviously less productive.
As a software engineer, I can tell you that it absolutely has increase productivity. Especially for small tasks without too much complexity. AI is really good for prototyping. The problems you hear about are mostly people who have no idea how to write propper code trying to mask their incompetence by writing AI code.
I usually outright reject code that is obviously AI. But I employ plenty of AI in my own coding. The trick is to always double check and rewrite segments that aren’t good enough.
The huge amount of garbage AI PRs ate an enormous problem. Especially for small open source projects. But the benefits are also pretty obvious.
what confuses me a lot about america is how a lot of people will defend the AI’s “right” to steal training data to learn (education)
when there’s millions of students out there going into life long debt to go to collage, and none of the same americans are fighting for their right to learn for free
I am only critical that those models are in the hand of corporations who try to profit from it. Copyrights are mainly a tool to be wielded by the powerful: see Sony trying to disconnect ISP accounts en masse or media giants suing people into oblivion, Nintendo fucking over their fanbase again and again and so on.
The datasets should belong to an UN organisation like UNESCO, corporations/NGOs/people should be able to licence them to build their models (ev. with “community models” provided free for personal use), and the licence fees should be used to subsidize culture. This plus an UBI would make sure that artists don’t have to starve, corporations can use them to try to make a profit, and everyone else can use them to create for their own or their communities use. Artists that don’t want to go into the datasets have that right too, but also won’t have access to that financial pool (this shouldn’t be the only pool).
Fuck copyrights.
Under capitalism, copyrights are a necessary tool for people to get paid for their labour in some cases. That’s not the most common usecase for copyrights, but a needed one until we get a better system. Fuck copyrights being used for corporate greed though. Somehow, more people are against the former than the latter, which is super wrong. But it’s not a reason to be against the former in addition to being against the latter.
The fastest fix is a very short copyright window, say 5-10 years. Given the fact that every movie release makes back it’s entire production budget in 1 week or is immediately deemed a flop, 5-10 years is plenty of time to mine an IP for boatloads of cash, plus once anyone can make a star wars movie or book or whatever, the real value shifts instead to the brand that produces it. New brands can make a name for themselves respinnong “old” IPs and making far better content than the original studio would’ve been willing to risk, and big brands can focus more on how important it is to view the only official versions of a given IP based on their branding.
That’d also harm big corporations less than small, independent artists who don’t get paid as much per use of their artwork.
If we just got rid of copyright, we would just see Disney flipping other people’s work without credit, just like how genAI grifters try to use it currently.
1st, I’m not Murrican, I’m German. 2nd the right to free education is one of the most important human right and the entire world is paying the price right now for neglecting this right over the past decades 3rd AI is here to stay. It’s far to impactfull as a technology. Whether we like it or not. So we either create an Environment where it can thrive within certain rules or we watch as others use it to completely overtake us.
ok? and i’m polish, i was talking about americans.
AI is not just ethically dubious, it’d also outright harmful for the already strained environment we live in. If AI stays - it won’t be here for long, mostly because there won’t be anoyone to ask it to generate giant hentai tits anymore
Gonna need some proof for that. So far it doesn’t actually do anything useful.
Open your eyes and step off that hate bandwagon.
Machine Learning has revolutionized protein folding and plenty of other sciences. LLMs have increased programmer productivity (even if it isn’t perfect yet). Image/video/song generating was something we thought to be impossible a couple of years ago.
If the only news you get about AI comes from the “Fuck AI” community, you won’t ever get accurate info.
Yes companies put AI in a bunch of shitty things that don’t need it. But to claim AI doesn’t do anything useful is just plain wrong.
I actually work in the field of protein crystallography. Contrary to newspaper reporting by people who don’t understand the field and just repeat what the people who developed the tool say about it, it has made just a small improvement to analysing experimental data which we could have easily made using traditional algorithmic approaches with a similar amount of resources spent. And this is one of its biggest legitimate impacts - it absolutely hasn’t “revolutionised plenty of other sciences”, or you’d be able to list more things than just alphafold.
It doesn’t improve programmer productivity, it increases the lines of code created, which is a really bad metric for productivity. There is good evidence that its use is already leading to increased code churn, that means someone is having to go back and revisit the additional new errors introduced by AI tools, which is obviously less productive.
As a software engineer, I can tell you that it absolutely has increase productivity. Especially for small tasks without too much complexity. AI is really good for prototyping. The problems you hear about are mostly people who have no idea how to write propper code trying to mask their incompetence by writing AI code.
I usually outright reject code that is obviously AI. But I employ plenty of AI in my own coding. The trick is to always double check and rewrite segments that aren’t good enough.
The huge amount of garbage AI PRs ate an enormous problem. Especially for small open source projects. But the benefits are also pretty obvious.
So what you are saying is that AI is actually useful since it has improved analyzing experimental data.
Thanks for proving my point.