You didn’t even make a sound argument let alone a reasonable one.

Relaity is China got out of poverty in spite of CCP not because of it. If they had democracy like Taiwan they’d be more rich AND more free.

Says u lmao

Again you move the goalpost. Sad that you spend so much effort just to boot lick. I hope you get paid at least 🙏

Lol keep moving the goal post boot licker

All I did is call you out that you can’t draw conclusions from n=1 of a policy so you can’t attribute chinese authoritarian policy for “getting people out of poverty”. So your glazing of Chinese autocrats is exactly that - glazing.

What?? Then why even discuss anything about anything?

I’m confused by your reply here. This is entirely limited to this scenario of false attribution. As we can’t verify this in any meaningful extend due to - as you yourself pointed out - every country and culture being invredibly different. So why are you OK with attributing success to chinese policy but not failure?

At the end of the day the historic justification magic doesn’t matter. I see today how unjust and miserable China is despite what tiktok might paint you. Not having internet is my litmus test and China fails this, I don’t understand how can people justify this. And please don’t try to diminish the great firewall of China - it’s really fucking bad.

Taiwan received substantial foreign aid from the US because of it’s strategic value against the mainland

And? China literally owns the 4th largest land mass in the world. So which variables are allowed in this math and which aren’t? Maybe if you give us a list we can defeat your delusion more swiftly.

And lifting 800 million people out of extreme poverty over the span of 40 years, can you name a more successful policy, ever, in all of history?

Democracy. I really hate this untestable argument as if we could go back in time and do A|B test to see which framework would have lifted people out of poverty the fastest. Taiwan is richer and more free than China despite being democratic, so is Japan, South Korea - what now? Which dicks do we measure and do we start at the balls or just the shaft?

It’s not even only about prepared meals. Most food products you find in the super market are entertainment luxury. Popcorn chicken is not substance neither is frozen pizza or import hand grown mangoes from Japan - it’s all entertainment in very literal sense of the word.

There is an ethical scale of how much we ought to sacrifice for this entertainment just like how much water we ought to waste on chat bots and if someone doesn’t see how a hamburger is worse than an llm prompt I think we can safely discard their entire argument. Thats the bare minimum litmus test.

Imagine building a strawman just to call someone stupid. Ironic.

If you can’t see that then you never even found yours to begin with.

You keep on whining and bullying people while we’ll continue on working with “llms that do not make our work better”. I think the market will eventually reveal reality as LLMs are never going away.

Small brained take

Common sense. Just look at your local grocery store or any restaurant - it’s all entertainment not “survival sustenance”. If you’d spent some time to actually classify this you wouldn’t need any proofs, it’s perfectly visible.

luddite doesn’t mean against all technological advancement, it’s a humanist stance on the ethical use of technology,

it does not - lets not rewrite history here. Luddites failed because destroying stuff doesn’t really work and that’s the lesson we should take. It’s easy to complain and break things but that doesn’t help anyone, real value comes from real efforts and real visions.

You are in a cult

nah you’re in a cult. I admit that LLMs are imperfect tools but to completely dismiss them is ludite, it’s crazy. It’s just a computer and computers are good. I understand the sentiment about billionaires and control and ecology but it is missing the forest for the trees. The tools need to be captured by us through open project that embrace LLMs rather than play this losing game with these fake-ass boycott that - realistically and statically speaking - will never yield to anything of value other than to produce toxic bullying this very thread’s topic is displaying.

You all need to do more and whine less.

Just so you’re aware, human being need food to stay alive

come on man be honest with yourself. 90% of food is entertainment not vital nutrition.

You know llm sources are just as verifiable as anything else right? All information is imperfect and has to be verified, period.

This whole thing is so sad. Dude comes out with “I’m addicted to chatting with LLMs” and people pile on him for what? Not saving a glass of water while 100$ says all yall still eat meat and do a billion times worse than burning some LLM tokens? Disgusting responses all around.

In general the AI ludites are so tiring. I wish this energy would be spent on something actually impactful like murdering animals for entertainment - yes thats your cheese burger - but these addicts are quick to defend their own addiction while sneer at other significantly less harmful ones.

Gonna go burn more tokens just for your sake now.

You have to remember the British rules over us for centuries and all our grandparents want to do is to imitate them.

is yours? Identify the subjects that are being blamed in this sentence. Take your time. I’ll wait.