Curious when this was? And did it have FSD?

Every time my car gets an update and FSD gets better. Every time I get in my car and hit the FSD button.

Serious question- have you ever driven a Tesla? And if so for how long?

There is a significant difference between lane control and FSD. Lane control just keeps you in the lane so you don’t have to actively steer. FSD actually drives the car, changes lanes, makes turns, stops for traffic lights and stop signs, navigates intersections, etc. With the current v14, you can get in your car, type in a destination, and then not steer or push the pedals at all and the car will take you to a parking space at your destination. Lane control does not do that. I’m not aware of any other company that does that.

Can you point to one of those lies? Because every time I push the FSD button it says ‘keep hands on the wheel be prepared to take over at any time’ right there on the screen.

For the average person to reassume the cognitive load of driving and awareness of what’s around then

There’s the disconnect.

You’re starting cold. Like, you just woke up from a nap, to find you’re on the highway and have to take over. Then maybe it takes 20-40 seconds.

That’s not the case for a Tesla driver. The driver is required (and it’s enforced by attention monitoring) to stay situationally engaged.

Serious question- have you ever actually USED FSD? In a five minute test drive, or ideally for a long car trip? I believe that you are speaking from a position of ignorance, IE you are speaking factually about something you aren’t familiar with the facts of.

The VERY FIRST TIME I drove a Tesla, I turned Autopilot (that’s what there was back then) on and off several times in the space of a drive. There was no 40 second anything.

Funny, I don’t feel scammed.

Drives better than any car I’ve owned previously. The ‘fuel’ cost is less than 1/2 of an equivalent gas car- and that’s if I’m using peak hour Superchargers. The maintenance is significantly less- no oil changes, timing belts, etc, just rotate tires and change cabin air filters. And the car drives itself when I want it to.

So if by ‘getting scammed’ you mean ‘have a car that costs way less to operate, is far more reliable, has more safety features, has more functionality, has a gas pump in my garage, and I can preheat it in my garage without dying of CO poisoning’ then yeah absolutely I’ve gotten scammed and I’d love to be scammed like this more frequently :D

That was a very early version of their system, once that happened they put strong controls in place for the storage of video and it’s now very easy to control what if any video and audio the car reports back to Tesla.

A fair position.

In the current system, you are still responsible for the vehicle, including a responsibility to take over if/before it does something stupid.
So if you frame it as ‘driving is my responsibility, and this is a tool that helps me meet that responsibility’ I think it’s a positive.

A LOT of people will, and do, and have, looked at FSD (and its predecessor systems like Autopilot) as ‘I don’t want/need to drive, I’ll let the machine do it (even if the machine isn’t safe)’. These are the kind of people who hung weights on their steering wheel so the car thought they were paying attention while they dozed off (that’s why the cabin cameras became a thing).

As the parent commenter who actually drives the Tesla, this is absolute bullshit. It does not take me any 40 seconds to reestablish control. FSD is not push the button and take a nap. If it was, it might take me 40 seconds to wake up, take a sip of coffee, stretch and yawn, tilt my chair back up, and then look around the car. But that is not the case.

FSD requires driver attention to the road. Even if the computer is driving, I am still paying attention to what is going on and if anything maintaining a higher level of situational awareness because I can spread my attention around the car without having to focus on staying in the lane. If I want to take over I literally just do it, apply any control input and I’m back in control. Turn the wheel, hit the gas, hit the brake, the car responds immediately.

Driving on residential streets I will often go in and out of FSD frequently, the version I have is not as good with complex intersections and knowing when it is our turn for example. So I’ll let it drive along and stay in the lane, then when we get to the intersection I’ll take over, then when we get to the other side I’ll go back on FSD. There is no 40 second delay anywhere.

I would strongly encourage you to go test drive the car. I’m not saying buy one, I’m saying just so that you can understand what exactly the system does and does not do. Don’t take that knowledge from what you read online, much of it written by people with an agenda either pro-Tesla or anti-Tesla. Go experience it for yourself and decide for yourself based on first hand knowledge If it’s a dangerous piece of shit or a useful tool.

Finally an actual intelligent question that isn’t just ‘fuck Tesla’.

FSD has gotten very very good. On the highway, it is a better driver than I am. I have had my car for a few years, I have driven many hundreds of hours on FSD, and it has only really tried to do something stupid twice, both of them some time ago on much older software. I don’t even have the most recent software because my car is computer is generation 3, I’m running the last one that was available for HW3 (version 12) but I have a lot of time on it so I am quite familiar with what it can and cannot do.
As such, I gain trust by experience, by watching it perform. So I know which situations I can trust it to do the right thing, and which situations I cannot.

That means in one of the situations where I trust it, such as on the highway, I can turn it on and leave it the task of staying in lane and maintaining speed. I can focus my attention then on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car. Even if I am doing something else like eating a sandwich, which would otherwise distract my attention and make me a less safe driver, I feel the result is overall more safe because the computer is watching 360° around the car and I am maintaining situational awareness of what I can see. I believe this creates the most safe situation.

Using highway driving like that, there have been a couple situations where the car reacted to something that I hadn’t even seen yet and potentially avoided an accident. For example, there was one situation where a very reckless driver was coming up from behind in the right lane and merging into our lane. I didn’t see it because I was looking forward, Tesla did because the cameras are looking everywhere. Tesla’s reaction was to slow down and change lanes away from the guy, which was the correct response. The car started reacting before I was even aware of the threat, and because the car had already cleared the space it was changing lanes into, it was able to start that lane change faster than I could because I would have looked over the shoulder first…

There have also been a few situations where I reacted to something the car was not reacting to yet and while it would not have resulted in an accident, it did increase safety by my intervention. Basic example is I am in the far right lane, there is an entry exit lane to the right which is ending and I know it is ending but the car doesn’t necessarily. I know the car slightly ahead and to the right of me is going to have to merge into my lane, so I manually slow down the car to give him a space to come in whereas Tesla would have just maintained speed and he would have had to slow down and go behind me.

I would strongly encourage you to disregard a lot of The crap you read in the news and online, much of it written by people who intrinsically hate Elon and anything he has ever touched, and go test drive the car. I’m not saying go buy the car, I’m saying go have the experience of actually using FSD so you can see first hand exactly what it is like.

FSD does not mean push the button and take a nap. I am still attentive to the road while it is in use. I believe it actually makes me a safer driver, because I can focus more attention on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car, without needing to focus on the task of staying in lane and maintaining the correct speed.

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not saying this as an insult, I am simply stating a fact that you are completely and totally mistaken.

I drive a Tesla. I live in Connecticut, speed limits are set very low and are ignored by just about everybody Including police, as long as you’re not driving recklessly.

The problem with the latest FSD versions is they take precise speed control out of the driver’s hands. In previous versions, you could manually set a maximum speed. Now you cannot, you only pick one of these driving profiles.

So for example if I’m driving on a 55 mph highway, and all the other cars are doing 75 mph, I have to pick the ‘Hurry’ profile which also hangs out in the left lane and makes a lot of lane changes and faster acceleration/braking. I would much rather drive standard style but with higher speed, but that isn’t an option.

Headline misleading. Makes it sound like this is a problem that they are just getting around to fixing. Reality is this is an intentional business decision that has made them tons of money and they are now publicly claiming to address it when their subscribers are sick of listening to AI slop.

In concept, as a partly libertarian, I agree, they should sell the hardware and what I do with it is my business and if I misuse it and get in an accident that is my fault not theirs.

In practice, most people don’t see it that way unfortunately. There’s an awful lot of people who already misuse autopilot, even going back to the early days of autopilot. And every time someone gets in a crash in a Tesla, the question becomes did autopilot kill them and can we blame Tesla for the crash.

Personally I wish more people took the absolute view, namely that it’s supervised autopilot so either the human did something stupid or the computer did something stupid while the human was supposed to be watching it and either way it’s the human’s fault. Unfortunately this is not the world we live in :(

Point being, I would complain more about the parenting behavior of society at large than the parenting behavior of big tech.

I own a Tesla with FSD. This is not quite accurate. Tesla uses pressure in the steering wheel and a cabin camera to evaluate driver attentiveness. If you haven’t applied pressure to the wheel in a while, there is a flashing blue warning on the screen. If you still don’t apply pressure to the wheel, it beeps. If you still don’t apply pressure to the wheel after the beep for a few seconds, you get a strike and it locks out for the rest of the drive. Or if you get repeated beeps on the same drive, like seven or eight, it locks out for the rest of the drive and you get a strike.
If you are looking away from the road for more than about 10 seconds, it beeps. Same as above, get seven or eight beeps on one drive and it locks out for the rest of the drive and you get a strike.
I believe it’s currently at five strikes before FSD disables for 2 weeks. If you go for 2 weeks without getting a strike, one is removed.

The nag system is annoying. On the highway, it’s very good, usually better than I am as a human. However even with the nags it is still a huge benefit, and I think it makes me safer because I am more of a supervisor than an operator and I can spend more of my attention looking out in other directions and keeping better situational awareness overall.

Two problems here.
One is jurisdiction. If the website is not incorporated in Florida, has no offices in Florida, and does not use Florida servers, why should they be subject to Florida law? Everything they do is completely legal in their home jurisdiction.
This sort of enforcement is basically impossible on the internet. If anybody can access any website from anywhere, how is the website supposed to keep up with hundreds or thousands of changing jurisdictions each with their own legal requirements? And why should they have to?

Second is interstate commerce clause of the Constitution. It reserves to the federal government the right to regulate interstate commerce. I would think that demanding that a out of state business change its business practices would fall afoul of that.

Now it could be argued that since the website advertises in Florida and accepts sign ups from Florida residents, that they do business in Florida. However the simple solution there would be to disable payment for Florida residents.

When you buy a game, doesn’t matter the platform, you pay for it with a credit card. The credit card companies are holding the game platform hostage, saying either they start censoring what games they sell or they lose the ability to process any credit cards for any games at all.
That is essentially holding a gun to their heads, if they can’t process credit cards they can’t bring in any money and they might as well just close shop and go home because their business is finished.
You can boycott steam or itch or whatever else, but they all use the same credit card processing systems- Visa, MasterCard, Discover, etc. if they start applying these policies to all game retailers, it will simply become impossible to buy any vaguely pornographic game. Period. Anywhere.

Thus, boycotting steam or itch is counterproductive. They are victims just as much as the consumers. They have no desire to ban these games, they were happily selling these games a week ago. But when they are being told ‘ban a bunch of low volume games or you cease to exist as a company’ that is what they do.

Thus, this phone call campaign. It is focusing on the credit card companies, the ones who are actually applying this pressure to game companies.

It is telling them we do not want them dictating what people are and are not allowed to spend money on. We do not want them to enforce morality. And if they got the impression we did, it’s because a small minority made a couple of phone calls.

The idea is if 1,000 people call in and complain about the porn game, and 100,000 people call in and complain about the censorship, hopefully they will get the message.

I think the problem is the farmers would be happy to know IT if it meant they could fix their damn tractor. Deere doesn’t want them to know IT, it wants them to just call their local Deere service center anytime anything doesn’t work. Problem is, if it’s during a harvest or some other critical time, they can’t wait a week for a service appointment so they have to pay through the nose for immediate call out. And much of the time, the problem is something that they are easily capable to fix on their own, but can’t because they don’t have access to the service software that only dealers get. Or it’s a situation like iPhones where they can easily make the repair but need the software to authorize the repair.

The result was a lot of farmers installing hacked Ukrainian firmware on their tractors, simply because the hacked version would accept any part connected and not require authorization from a service laptop.

Well that’s shooting yourself in the damn foot.

Apple users are a tiny percentage, and most of the sort that happily uses whatever Apple gives them without question or concern for other options. I have no idea what this thing did, but if it did something different than every other browser should start targeting Windows and Linux.