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      How’d you come to that conclusion? Are you saying that “From the river to the sea” is distinct from “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”?

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

        The precise origins of the phrase are disputed. According to the American historian Robin D. G. Kelley, the phrase “began as a Zionist slogan signifying the boundaries of Eretz Israel.”

        The Israeli-American historian Omer Bartov notes that Zionist usage of such language predates the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and began with the Revisionist movement of Zionism led by Ze’ev Jabotinsky, which spoke of establishing a Jewish state in all of Palestine

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          And the indigenous reclaiming or reappropriating words and phrases totally never happened in history, ever. “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is fundamentally different from “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”. Notice how the Euroanglo-Zionazis never utter the former phrase.

          Understand that the former phrase is more than just a reappropration to the latter, but a call for the liberation of indigenous land from occupation by settler-colonialists. It’s no dogwhistle, and it is very crystal clear what it means: not one inch for Euroanglo-Zionazis.

          Likewise, it’s very crystal clear what Euroanglo-Zionazis mean with their Lebensraum ass phrase: total wipeout of indigenous land and its people in favor of Euroanglo-Zionazis.

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            Well yes that is directly what happened. Both Israeli and Arabic are fundamentally not English languages, so the phrase “From the river to the sea” is always a translation.

            The Palestinians saw the Israelis using the phrase and hijacked it, finishing it differently as a form of resistance. What many people get wrong though is that they claim only the first part of the phrase is already against Israel, while that part of the slogan was invented by Israel.

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      “Zionism is when you don’t want the wholesale dissolution of an entire country”

      That one’s going in the .ml hall of fame, thanks

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          This is my last comment to you before I block you for being a histrionic liar: laws can be changed without destroying a country. The USA for example used to wholesale endorse slavery and managed to get rid of that without wiping out the country altogether.

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            Nah we basically did wipe out the country, and our failure to hang every single confederate is directly responsible for the state of the country today. So maybe reconsider the statement, guy. See also: germany, nazis

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            If you change Israeli basic law then it is no longer Israel.

            Either you’re unaware of what you just said, or you too are advocating for the abolishment of Israel.

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              Also, we basically did wipe out the country in the civil war, and our failure to hang every single confederate is directly responsible for the state of the country today. See also: germany, nazis

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            Nah we basically did wipe out the country, and our failure to hang every single confederate is directly responsible for the state of the country today. So maybe reconsider the statement, guy. See also: germany, nazis